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Old 06-14-2013, 09:33 PM
 
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Yes sometimes they do. If you are not full price for the procedure, tax dollars are covering the rest.
It depends on which state you live in and medicaid will pay for some. But you have to realize that these women can't afford birth control or prenatal care because they are poor.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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Ummm...... NO. Where did you get that idea?

Tax payers NEVER pay for discretionary abortions. They only pay for an abortion when it is medically necessary to protect the health of the mother.
These are not my views but for the sake of argument I'll share where I think that comes from:

1) Tax dollars going to fund Planned Parenthood. The skeptic would say even those those dollars don't go to fund abortions directly they allow funds to be freed up from other accounts that are funded by the tax payer.

2) There is some sketchyness as far as individual mandate participation in Obamacare where a state can opt out providing policies that cover elective abortions but few have so far.

3) Defining what is abortion. Some believe the morning after pill is a form of abortion though most do not. Funding of Plan B in some minds = tax payer abortions.

4) Medicaid however, from what I understand, does not cover elective abortions. That doesn't mean all states follow Medicaid federal guidelines.

From the ACLU:

Most states have followed the federal government's lead in restricting public funding for abortion. Currently only seventeen states fund abortions for low-income women on the same or similar terms as other pregnancy-related and general health services....Four of these states provide funding voluntarily (HI, MD, NY, and WA); in thirteen, courts interpreting their state constitutions have declared broad and independent protection for reproductive choice and have ordered nondiscriminatory public funding of abortion (AK, AZ, CA, CT, IL, MA, MN, MT, NJ, NM, OR, VT, and WV)

Another organization claims that 15 states provide funding for elective abortions through their Medicaid plans. I choose not to link to that site and do not wish to research it further.

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Old 06-14-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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Tax payers don't pay for abortions.
Funny how the sequester and lack of state funding has caused a decrease in the number of abortion clinics. Just saying.

And no one ever commented on the idea of a financial abortion. If a male had the right to reliquish all responsibilities, I think it would dramatically decreae the number of single mothers. If she knew she couldn't count on the gov forcing him to give her money, I guarantee you a lot of women would abort.

And then you have less single mothers.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:40 PM
 
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If a woman ended up getting pregnant and was forced to have the child against her wishes, that would be the government forcing her to have a child on the back end.
The government does force a woman to give birth after a certain point in time. A point in time where let's be real, that child is NOT viable outside the womb. What do you think of that? Is that wrong?

Or does the whole, it's legal and that's all that matters thing apply?
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:45 PM
 
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It depends on which state you live in and medicaid will pay for some. But you have to realize that these women can't afford birth control or prenatal care because they are poor.
Are you saying they can't afford it so they have to get it through Medicaid or are you saying they can't get it regardless?

Which states don't provide these services for the poor? Or do you mean not poor enough for Medicaid?
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The government does force a woman to give birth after a certain point in time. A point in time where let's be real, that child is NOT viable outside the womb. What do you think of that? Is that wrong?

Or does the whole, it's legal and that's all that matters thing apply?
How far into a pregnancy do you think most women wait before they choose to have an abortion?

As for the whole "it's legal so that's all that matters," yes it should be legal for a woman to have an abortion, the decision should be made sooner than later and after a certain point it should be only made for medical reasons, such as the mother is going to die if she has this baby.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: texas
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Yes sometimes they do. If you are not full price for the procedure, tax dollars are covering the rest.
What procedure are you speaking of and whom are preforming these tax funded abortions?
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: texas
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It depends on which state you live in and medicaid will pay for some. But you have to realize that these women can't afford birth control or prenatal care because they are poor.
medicaid will pay for some what?
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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How far into a pregnancy do you think most women wait before they choose to have an abortion?

As for the whole "it's legal so that's all that matters," yes it should be legal for a woman to have an abortion, the decision should be made sooner than later and after a certain point it should be only made for medical reasons, such as the mother is going to die if she has this baby.
I'm just asking do you agree or disagree with the idea. Not whether you'd have women having abortions 7 months into their pregnancy, but do you think the gov should at ANY point, be telling a woman what she can and can't do about her pregnancy, regardless of what stage.

If their should be a limit? Why? Why only for medical reasons? She didn't need a reason before, and the fetus has no more rights now that it did before.

And again, what do you think about the idea of men signing away fatherhood. Leaving all the responsibility, with the person who has all the rights. You can't say she was forced to be a single mother, because the gov can't force her to be a mother at all. No one can.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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The government does force a woman to give birth after a certain point in time. A point in time where let's be real, that child is NOT viable outside the womb. What do you think of that? Is that wrong?

Or does the whole, it's legal and that's all that matters thing apply?
The government also forces abortion under the guise of free choice.
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