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Old 06-14-2013, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I'm just asking do you agree or disagree with the idea. Not whether you'd have women having abortions 7 months into their pregnancy, but do you think the gov should at ANY point, be telling a woman what she can and can't do about her pregnancy, regardless of what stage.

If their should be a limit? Why? Why only for medical reasons? She didn't need a reason before, and the fetus has no more rights now that it did before.

And again, what do you think about the idea of men signing away fatherhood. Leaving all the responsibility, with the person who has all the rights. You can't say she was forced to be a single mother, because the gov can't force her to be a mother at all. No one can.
Why would the government tell a woman she couldn't have a baby? Men sign away fatherhood now, they are called dead beat dads that skip out and don't pay child support. Those men are out there.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Medical reasons for abortion are rare. I would say most people abort for convenience and to avoid responsibility.
You would say? Thanks for your opinion, I guess.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I'd hardly call 9 months + childbirth + adoption of your own flesh and blood or responsibility for raising a child for 18 years a matter of convenience. This is completely life altering. Calling abortions a matter of convenience is meant to deride women and make them look immature. These women would know that because most abortions are performed on mothers (with actual kids not early pregnancy). And a large portion of those mothers are married. Most surprising abortion statistic: The majority of women who terminate pregnancies are already mothers. - Slate Magazine

Women are well aware of what they are doing.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Calling abortions a matter of convenience is meant to deride women and make them look immature.

Women are well aware of what they are doing.
Hear, hear! Well spoken.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Men or fathers are important..without them there would be no conception hence no abortion...it's time that men have reproductive rights also. It take two to create new life..BOTH sexes should have equal rights...Males should not be discriminated against regarding reproductive rights...Whether those be the rights to abort or to keep.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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I'd hardly call 9 months + childbirth + adoption of your own flesh and blood or responsibility for raising a child for 18 years a matter of convenience. This is completely life altering. Calling abortions a matter of convenience is meant to deride women and make them look immature. These women would know that because most abortions are performed on mothers (with actual kids not early pregnancy). And a large portion of those mothers are married. Most surprising abortion statistic: The majority of women who terminate pregnancies are already mothers. - Slate Magazine

Women are well aware of what they are doing.
So well aware of what they're doing they forgot how not to get pregnant.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Men or fathers are important..without them there would be no conception hence no abortion...it's time that men have reproductive rights also. It take two to create new life..BOTH sexes should have equal rights...Males should not be discriminated against regarding reproductive rights...Whether those be the rights to abort or to keep.
Well a man bares less of the responsibility in the sense that a man doesn't have to give birth to a child, nor does a man have to help raise a child beyond just being a sperm donor through sex. It is much easier for a man to skip out on a woman and child than it is the other way around.

Also, you talk of responsibility, it is also the man's responsibility to control his sexual urges and make smart choices, like having safe sex if he is going to have sex. No man should expect the woman to do all the safety work, nor should a man try to talk a woman into unsafe sex just because they don't want to be safe.

When a man can carry a baby to term, then a man can have a say with what happens inside a woman's body.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:07 PM
 
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Abortion should be legal, but save for medical conditions, should absolutely be frowned upon. This idea of screw responsibility you've got an out via abortion is not something that should be encouraged.

It absolutely does matter, because it shouldn't happen. People who can't take care of a kid should not be getting pregnant. It's far, far, FAR too easy to prevent a pregnancy. It's ridiculously easy. Amazingly easy. It shouldn't happen, but the fact that it is happening, and in the numbers, is as much a societal problem as the number of shootings, the number of kids who graduate but perform academically at a middle school level, the prisons, all these things.

I'm not arguing the legality of it. Just saying, why in this age, are so many women getting pregnant when they know full well they can't even take care of themselves?
My question is why is it always up to the woman to use birth control? Where is the man's responsibility in pregnancy prevention? Both are participating and both should be responsible for prevention not just the woman.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So well aware of what they're doing they forgot how not to get pregnant.
Accidents happen, unless you are saying people should only have sex to make children, even if they are married?
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:08 PM
 
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So well aware of what they're doing they forgot how not to get pregnant.
Do guys not use condoms anymore. What's up with that. Oh yeah, I hear they don't like the feel so they leave it up to the woman to use contraception while they are indulging in their pleasure
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