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Most unions have brought on dislike of themselves by their past behavior. I grew up in union country and if you did not have a relative or pay off someone you could not get hired in a union staffed job. Plumbers, electrical, auto, rubber, steel etc...if it was a union shop you can't get in without a fix.
That's entirely up to them, but doesn't mean they should be screwed over on their wages or working conditions if they don't
Yes they should be. Let's say we have two people, person A and person B. They both work 12 hour days as coal miners, six days/week, for $10/hr.
Person A spends 2 hours/workday studying new skills and eight hours on every day off studying. A year later person A builds a skillset that a software engineering firm views as valuable, and is offered a job for $30/hr for 40 hours/week as a result.
Person B goes home, watches TV, cooks dinner, never studies, never opens a book. On his day off, he doesn't read, he just relaxes, takes care of his home. A year later, he still is making $10/hr as a coal miner.
Person B 100% deserves $10/hr, where person A 100% deserves $30/hr. Do you seriously disagree?
How anti-union would you be if you were at the bottom of the chain, let's say you were the regular coal miner, factory hand etc.., with your job and wages regularly threatened.
How happy would you be with the union busters then?
Because it sounds to me that just because you have risen up the wage chain somewhat, you are bending over backwards to make sure your status is not threatened by your underlings, aka: selling out to the bosses.
Not anti-union but I am anti-thug.
I have friends who work Union shops and are happy. I am happy for them and what they have. There is no conflict of interest.
Now if those same people decided to try and enter my plant I would not join them. I have no need for their support, their rules or their dues.
I work in a factory and started from the bottom. The only threat I ever faced was being moved to another team or line.
My friend who worked at Unilever Hagerstown MD did face such a problem. In the end he and everyone else who worked there lost their jobs. Their Union negotiated them right out of work.
nope,, the hatred is based on facts....what has a union done lately
fact unions are based on organized crime....teamsters anyone
fact unions are thugs...you want to work, but the union says no...if you go to work (to put food on the table) you are a 'scab' and hurt, and your family harrassed
fact unions are part of the fascist liberal LOBBIEST system
fact unions cater to the LOWEST SKILLS
I see you have a real problem with the term, "fact."
Ill take angry and jealous Right Winger. But there is a reason for this hatred. When you artificially increase the pay of other workers it erodes the purchasing power of my hard earned dollars.
Thats stealing and i "hate" thieves
Except for the thieves on the board of directors, paying themselves multimillion dollar annual bonuses. Those thieves need a tax break.
Yes, Unions were important several decades ago when there were few regulations and companies treated workers terribly.
However, the tables have turned. The unions have become so big and powerful that they are the ones who are terrorizing both employers and the marketplace itself now.
Unions were created to ensure that good workers could not be fired without just cause, but they've overstepped their bounds and now they ensure that bad workers cannot be fired just because they are part of the union.
Unions were created to ensure that good workers would earn a decent wage to live on, but they've overstepped that too and are making it too expensive for companies to pay union workers, companies now have to shut down because the only options are to pay the ridiculous wages or go out of business.
HOSTESS decided it was better to just go out of business rather than pay the unions. In what world is it better to have all your workers lose their jobs rather than take a paycut? Apparently in Union-world, because the unions were the reason that hostess closed, they refused to accept lower salary so Hostess told them "fine, then you're all out of work".
Clearly the unions were a great thing many years ago, but they have overstepped on too many issues and they are not needed any more. All they do now is cause prices to increase, quality of work to decrease, and the economy overall suffers.
That's entirely up to them, but doesn't mean they should be screwed over on their wages or working conditions if they don't
So in your mind, the unskilled worker should earn as much as someone who took the time and effort to learn / enhance their skill(s)? Sure sounds like this is what you are saying Ken.
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