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Old 06-16-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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Wag the Syrian Dog

“Wag the Dog” is a political strategy in which a national leader starts a military operation to divert negative attention away from himself. In 1997, Hollywood produced a Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman movie by the same name about an American President caught up in a sex scandal that decides to start a war in the Balkans to distract the public. Eighteen months later with President Bill Clinton facing a sex scandal, he started a war in the Balkans.

 
Old 06-16-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Hopefully it's the boots of the politicians who think this is a good idea. If they really believe it's a good course of action, let them go over there and die for their cause. Oh that's right, that what the little people are for. Bullet sponges for their pet projects.
I agree! Politicians and bankers want money. Simple same people and soldiers die.
 
Old 06-16-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I've read the Obama authorized this but did he go to Congress first to get approval ?
Or did he just "notify" them like he did with the Libya drone invasion ?
 
Old 06-16-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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Some of that tin foil has turned out to be true.
The NSA listening in and gathering all your phone/internet data is one of them.
Folks called them paranoid back then. They are saying "I told you so" today.
I will not say what kind of work my husband does, but he will not use a smart phone, computer, ATM card or credit card.

Yes, I called him paranoid.
 
Old 06-16-2013, 08:34 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Wag the Syrian Dog

“Wag the Dog” is a political strategy in which a national leader starts a military operation to divert negative attention away from himself. In 1997, Hollywood produced a Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman movie by the same name about an American President caught up in a sex scandal that decides to start a war in the Balkans to distract the public. Eighteen months later with President Bill Clinton facing a sex scandal, he started a war in the Balkans.
It's not about the sex scandals. You Dusan matter what they eat onychia think? They have the power and money.'s All they need. You know what a golden billion?
 
Old 06-16-2013, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I've heard this before, but where did it come out from tin foil conspiracy theorists before the regular news?

I've asked for proof before, and the only things I get in response is certainly not proof, but...

1) I am a paid shill for disinformation, and no evidence like a paycheck or something.
2) I have been brainwashed not to accept their claims without evidence by chemtrails
3) They don't need to provide proof of their claims because if they do the government will murder them. How the government is so powerful that it can get away without repercussion in murdering celebrities, and not people living on the streets and raving on forums eludes reality.
4) Only morons require things like evidence. The poster didn't like that by that logic people could be convicted of being a pedo without evidence of molesting a child, including them.

The conversations are usually pretty short on their end as libraries have time limits for their public computer use.
You've probably gone to the wrong sites to read the tin foil conspiracies.
I read them. Most are bunk but there are some that make you think and have some credence that it's possible. The NSA/CIA spying is one of them. And over the course of the last 10 years proof has come out but the public was not made aware. Room 641A is one of them and that dates back to 2006.
I found out about Room 641A issue from a conspiracy site, not CBS or CNN or Huffpost.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss all the conspiracy theory stories.
 
Old 06-16-2013, 08:48 AM
 
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You've probably gone to the wrong sites to read the tin foil conspiracies.
I read them. Most are bunk but there are some that make you think and have some credence that it's possible. The NSA/CIA spying is one of them. And over the course of the last 10 years proof has come out but the public was not made aware. Room 641A is one of them and that dates back to 2006.
I found out about Room 641A issue from a conspiracy site, not CBS or CNN or Huffpost.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss all the conspiracy theory stories.
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I've heard this before, but where did it come out from tin foil conspiracy theorists before the regular news?
Sorry, let me reiterate the evidence is needed...not claims. I said this in the first sentence hoping it would be comprehended. People claim there are shape-shifting lizards, or that telepathic elves live on Venus, it doesn't mean that it is true. I am not going to beleive in everything just because...that's flippen crazy.

I reserve judgement till there is evidence to substantiate the claim. If I have requested evidence repeatedly and all I get back is blather, then I will dismiss it until there is evidence to support it. I am very quick to dismiss claims that keep getting brought up over and over without proof, and you are not providing any additional proof to the claim. Just more blather and claims without proof.
 
Old 06-16-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Sorry, let me reiterate the evidence is needed...not claims. I said this in the first sentence hoping it would be comprehended. People claim there are shape-shifting lizards, or that telepathic elves live on Venus, it doesn't mean that it is true. I am not going to beleive in everything just because...that's flippen crazy.

I reserve judgement till there is evidence to substantiate the claim. If I have requested evidence repeatedly and all I get back is blather, then I will dismiss it until there is evidence to support it. I am very quick to dismiss claims that keep getting brought up over and over without proof, and you are not providing any additional proof to the claim. Just more blather and claims without proof.
And I just told you that most stories are bunk.
But what about the Room 641A issue ?
That was about the NSA getting their own room in AT&T buildings and hooking into the backbone of the internet to capture data.
There was a lawsuit brought forward against AT&T for violating the right to privacy.
The USG then stepped in and took the side of AT&T and got it buried in the appeals courts.
Then the immunity bill got passed and it was made retroactive.
Then the case got dismissed late 2011 because of that immunity bill.
Did any "proof" make it public ? No, just the whistle blower's story and the lawsuit to force acknowledgement by AT&T that they allowed spying.

There were no reptiles or aliens involved. Nobody shapeshifted.
It was all about humans and technology and spying on Americans.

You might want to pass over those reptile/alien stories and read the others.

I think some valid conspiracies today are
-FEMA camps although the reasons why may be different than what conspiracy thinks
-drone use for spying on Americans...30,000 for US use says they got something in mind
-DHS buying tanks. The modern MRAP, retrofitted for "urban conditions". I can't see them saying it's for use in the ME because there's not a heck of a lot of urban centers in the ME. And while they tell us there are only a few at the border, these MRAPS keep showing up all over America. 3 or 4 were photographed during the Boston bombing manhunt and they had "Boston" or "Massachusetts" painted on them.
 
Old 06-16-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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Did any "proof" make it public ? No, just the whistle blower's story and the lawsuit to force acknowledgement by AT&T that they allowed spying.
If no proof made it to the public, then why do you believe?

This isn't rocket science, I don't believe what has zero evidence to support it. Just like stories that the loch ness monster exists, or dog crap can cure cancer, or that someones neighbors dog is beaming orders into their head. Belief without proof is just that, wanting to believe. Children do it to Santa and the Tooth Fairy. Then they grow up and realize that kind of belief is childish, and leave it behind in adulthood. Continuing to believe like that is a mental illness. I've worked with the mentally ill and seen that kind of delusional belief many times.

I have more respect for my beliefs than to simply accept any story that gets told to me.
 
Old 06-16-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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I don't support this war, it will be a nightmare.

I would quit reading that tin foil hatted conspiracy clog though, full of fear, gold hoarding, bunkers for the coming collapse, and guns for when the black helicopters come to take you away to a FEMA camp. If some homeless raving psychotic that's crapped their pants says the sky is blue, and it turns out it is blue, that doesn't mean they are a great place to get political and economic commentary.
Why do you want to control where people get their information? Are you afraid the sheeple might actually wake up?
Ron Paul was called a conspiracy theorist for warning us of a surveillance state 30 years ago.


September 6, 1984: Ron Paul Warns of Surveillance State - Don't Ever Say We Weren't Warned. - YouTube
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