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Your questions are worthless. I already answered you.
No, you haven't. You claimed there was no meaning in the letter, which exposes either the fact that you haven't read the letter at all ...or you are unable to comprehend what you read.
I recognize you do not wish me to reply to this so I won't.
On the contrary... please reply.
I'll post the factual info again...
Two SCOTUS cases, to start:
Kwock Jan Fat v. White (1920), the Supreme Court referred to Mr. Kwock as a natural born citizen. He was born in the United States to a father who was a native-born U.S. citizen, and his mother was a U.S. citizen by marriage
Perkins v. Elg (1939), the Supreme Court referred to Marie Elizabeth Elg as a natural born citizen. She was born in the United States to a naturalized U.S. citizen father, and her mother was a U.S. citizen by marriage.
Furthermore, there is considerable evidence that those born in the U.S. to transient aliens weren't even U.S. citizens at birth at all. In 1857, New York had a code that declared all those born in the state to be citizens except, "the children of transient aliens, and of alien public ministers and consuls, etc." And after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, the District of Columbia, California, Montana and South Dakota adopted similar citizenship law language as New York. The states could enact such laws because "transient aliens" were not considered "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Connecticut adopted a law that stated, "All persons born in this State...except aliens... are and shall be deemed to be citizens”
State laws such as those were not unConstitutional for the simple reason that they only deny citizenship to those born whom another sovereign claims as its own. To be clear, denial of citizenship to those born owing allegiance to another sovereign conforms with the Constitution. NONE of those state laws were ever stricken by SCOTUS for excluding from citizenship those who owed allegiance to another sovereign.
You can look up the relevant state laws yourself. The research will do you good; might open your mind a tiny little bit.
No, you haven't. You claimed there was no meaning in the letter, which exposes either the fact that you haven't read the letter at all ...or you are unable to comprehend what you read.
Well if that's your position then there are no facts to be discussed.
It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.
Kwock Jan Fat v. White (1920), the Supreme Court referred to Mr. Kwock as a natural born citizen. He was born in the United States to a father who was a native-born U.S. citizen, and his mother was a U.S. citizen by marriage.
Perkins v. Elg (1939), the Supreme Court referred to Marie Elizabeth Elg as a natural born citizen. She was born in the United States to a naturalized U.S. citizen father, and her mother was a U.S. citizen by marriage.
It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.
Exactly. The intent of the "natural born citizen" clause was to eliminate the possibility of foreigners occupying the federal government's administration, and our country's military.
Let's pretend for a second that is true.
By definition and under US law, anybody who is a US citizen (not even a natural born one) or national is not a foreigner.
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Those born with foreign citizenship are NOT "natural born citizens."
There has never been a single US law, statute, regulation, rule, court decision or Constitutional provision that says anything close.
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There are SCOTUS references to "natural born citizens."
None of them declare dual citizens to not be natural born US citizens.
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Furthermore, there is considerable evidence that those born in the U.S. to transient aliens weren't even U.S. citizens at birth at all. In 1857, New York had a code that declared all those born in the state to be citizens except, "the children of transient aliens, and of alien public ministers and consuls, etc."
Under the Constitution, New York has no authority whatsoever to decide citizenship for anybody.
Cite it, word for word. Where does it define "natural born citizen?"
Caveat:
We already know for a fact that even after the 14th Amendment was ratified, several states' codes denying citizenship to children born in the U.S. to transient aliens was never stricken by SCOTUS.
And... you may not be aware of the discussion, but U.S. Secretaries of State have determined that children born in the U.S. to transient alien fathers were NOT even U.S. citizens, at all.
More info on citizenship after the ratification of the 14th Amendment...
Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.
Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Ludwig was born in 1861...7 years before the ratification of the 14th. His father retuned to Saxony after the birth and Ludwig never returned to the US. Ludwig applied for passport and wan denied. The clue should have been that the Sec Of State got involved.
Im sure the other examples from you link have simmilar outcomes.
Some citizens are born citizens, but not natural born citizens.
Wrong. All born citizen are natural born citizens. The Constitution recognizes no differential classes of born citizens.
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