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Old 06-16-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Der Spiegel: Germany to expand Internet surveillance | News | DW.DE | 16.06.2013

Germany to Expand Internet Surveillance.

Every country is sleeping with big money these days, and all will accuse each other of this or that, but at the end of the day it's doing the same things itself. Now don't get me wrong, I love Germany and I'm no fan of the NSA monitoring everyone, but to a degree spying is needed. We need to come up with a more effective way to spy though, without monitoring everyone and intruding on people's primary and ultimately rights.
Apparently, the German Chancellor has no clues what her own government is doing right now.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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First, the was no internet when the east German secret police were in operation. Second either the Germans are idiots or they are lying because the NSA has always had not on the capability to ease drop on foreign electronic signals, but has done so for decades.
I knew someone would have an excuse for the well-spoken and clean squatter in the White House.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:07 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Before throwing stones, Germany should lay out all of their Surveillance/Intel/Counter-Intel tactics for the world to see.

I won't hold my breath.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Pot. Kettle. Black. German intelligence spies on it's own citizens.

German spy service plans 'more online surveillance'
Germany's foreign intelligence service plans a major expansion of Internet surveillance despite deep unease over revelations of US online spying, Der Spiegel news weekly reported on Sunday.
Spiegel said the BND aimed to monitor international data traffic "as closely as possible", noting that it currently kept tabs on about five percent of emails, Internet calls and online chats while German law allowed up to 20 percent.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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Apparently, the German Chancellor has no clues what her own government is doing right now.
Sad reality, isn't it? I honestly believe that certain countries such as the US, Germany, UK, and Etc have dual-national governments; almost like a Black Government. The US has secret courts, secret programs literally being run by hundreds of thousands of people, too many laws that benefit certain individuals and corporations, and etc. Germany is running the EU, and we all know that the EU isn't the most transparent of governments.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Its been common knowledge for 15 plus years that the NSA spies on other countries internal communications. This was written about when James Bamford published his book called the Puzzle Palace. However, what's chilling about this now is that the NSA is now doing this internally to every person within the United States now. Bush did expand this after 9/11 with certain provisions of the patriot act permitting this. However, this was suppose to only take place in cases where there was probable cause and or reasonable suspicions of very questionable activities possibly involving terrorist or terrorist activities. Obama has now permitted the NSA to spy on everyone in the country regardless if there is probable cause or suspicious activities. Everyone is now a suspect.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:37 PM
 
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The reasoning of 'making you saver" is always used. In the after math of Pearl harbor not many thought twice about it. What is safe and what price do you a want to pay. Are you in more danger from terrorist or crime on our streets. I feel if we actually gave police the same powers that they too could make us safer than this but still we see its not a choice we can make for others has its not constitutional. These searches must meet the same constitutional requirements regardless if done on US soil. Taping of telephone the same warrants required as normal. Searches without probable cause then using the data on reasonable suspicion isn't the standards set by decades of supreme court ruling. This sounds like what Hoover reasoning in creating those files on people when he was FBI director. Don't know they were ever used in court but they target people by suspicion alone. Kind of likely why IRS targeted the conservative groups as we have seen or why E-mails of reporters where hacked. If they will do it to reporters being the powerful third estate will they think twice doing it to you? Ripe for abuse by the same basic people. I say let the courts decide under the constitutional safe guards as always in criminal cases by law enforcement. No exception to make us safer supposedly. Or its a matter of changing the constitution itself to allow.
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Old 06-16-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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And all this hellabaloo started with a 29 yr. old HS dropout. Who would have thunk?

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Old 06-16-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Yes! Let's take advice from the Germans! They didn't spy on their Jewish citizens! They just murdered them instead!
Damn, get out much ? That was 69 years ago. WW2 is over.
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Old 06-16-2013, 05:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes! Let's take advice from the Germans! They didn't spy on their Jewish citizens! They just murdered them instead!


They had to find them first....
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!


I want to be able to find you!
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