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That's pretty much the case, many pieces of information that were put together but to Cheney it was all about justifying torture.
Just because you don't go to the extreme's to defend it doesn't make it better.
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I have to love the play on words, it's not torture it's enhanced interrogation. I guess anything that doesn't leave a permanent mark like running electrical current through a prisoner can be considered enhanced interrogation.
It does make Cheney "bad" but Panetta well, who knows as he was gave a pass.
“Should this be transparent in some way?” Rose asked.
“It is transparent,” Obama insisted. “That’s why we set up the FISA Court,” the president said, referring to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court — which carries out its work almost entirely in secret.
Dick Cheney should have been dragged in chains to the The Hague to answer for the war crimes committed while he was in charge. The warrantless wiretaps on US citizens, the shock and awe bombing campaigns that led to many civilian deaths and the systematic torture of prisoners that occurred during his reign should have left him hanging at the end of a rope.
Cheney was president?
BTW, warrantless wiretaps were also occurring during the Clinton administration.
DemocraticUnderground is a real clusterf**k right now. No one knows who's side to take. The Obama/Cheney establishment or the Moore/Gore civil liberties crowd.
“Should this be transparent in some way?” Rose asked.
“It is transparent,” Obama insisted. “That’s why we set up the FISA Court,” the president said, referring to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court — which carries out its work almost entirely in secret.
It's pathetic, ironic, and Orwellian all at the same time.
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DemocraticUnderground is a real clusterf**k right now. No one knows who's side to take. The Obama/Cheney establishment or the Moore/Gore civil liberties crowd.
The now-highly-visible split between neocon and (civil) libertarian views on the issue must be causing a lot of consternation and cognitive dissonance within the left wing, or what remains of it. I can only hope that they will finally practice what they believe in and take a stand against NSA spying, no matter if it's a Republican or someone who pretends to be one of their own.
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BTW, warrantless wiretaps were also occurring during the Clinton administration.
If so, those involved should be brought to justice, but for perspective the sum total of wiretapping in the 12 years before 9/11 doesn't even begin to approach the sum total in the 12 years since 9/11. Seriously, Bush/Obama's PRISM and other NSA programs exceed anything else in American history by many orders of magnitude. The greater crime should be the greater target, and the Bush/Obama crowd are the deserved targets.
It always amuses me to see the bipartisan normalization of atrocities such as wiretapping, wars, and torture. Democrats using "Bush did it" as a defense for Obama's actions is simultaneously horrifying and amusing - since when was what Bush did the gold standard of left-wing/Democratic thought? He was a Republican, for goodness sake! If Obama is doing all the same things Bush did that should be a warning sign for all Democrats.
Just because you don't go to the extreme's to defend it doesn't make it better.
It does make Cheney "bad" but Panetta well, who knows as he was gave a pass.
The title of the link is misleading to what Panetta actually stated.
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Responding to the controversial depictions in the film “Zero Dark
Thirty,” Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the U.S. would
have gotten Osama bin Laden even if so-called enhanced
interrogation techniques, which many say are torture, had not been used.
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He added in
that letter that although some detainees were subjected to enhanced
interrogation, “there was no one essential and indispensable key piece of
information that led us to this conclusion.”
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