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How do you feel about the Constitution being used to weaken the western family and conservative values?
gay marriage and abortion rights do go against these....
there is nothing western about a family of two gay parents. and abortions are actually, more times than not, just birth control stuffed in the shell of less frequent circumstances like "health related concerns" and "rape"
I don't feel it's weakening anything. If you can't keep your own values just because someone else's are different to yours then you're not very committed to them in the first place.
And somebody marrying their same sex partner has no bearing on my marriage, none at all. And I don't see why you think it's not western, plenty of western countries have legalized both abortion and gay marriage.
Cliche I know, but if gay marriage does not align with your values then don't get married to your same sex lover, and if abortion doesn't either then don't have one. Why you need government intervention to make these decisions for yourself is beyond me.
Doesn't sound like you are very happy. Doesn't offend me, makes me and most others laugh at you to be honest, including most women. You should see us here. You come accross as being pretty bitter and angry
You really need to get over it.... life is too short to be angry at all these perceived injustices
Most others? Considering you're the only one who seems to have an issue with it, I'd say you're close to alone on this particular issue. But hey, if it makes you feel like a big tough man then go ahead and laugh, it doesn't bother me in the slightest
I find it very funny that you're telling ME to get over it. Get over what, exactly? I'm very content and you're the one that comes across as bitter and angry. I mean, you're the one completely freaking out about anyone who is different than you are, anyone who DARES speak a different language (I speak 5, just as an FYI, and I speak them often around idiots who get flustered about it) than English.
There always have been times through history we have had curbs on immigration. It has nothing to do with hating others.
...this is a joke, right? What kind of delusional, right wing textbook did you base your knowledge on?
Hint: racism was open and widespread in 1924. Those who wanted to restrict immigration explicitly on the basis of race made no pretense.
You do realize that many of these immigration quotas specifically targeted ethnic minorities, specifically asians, do you? You probably don't, because you display an ignorance of basic history I haven't witnessed in (presumably) an adult since Michele Bachmann claimed that the Founders worked tirelessly to end slavery.
Sure they are. If they weren't, why would so many people be arguing over the 'interpretation of the second amendment'. Why would so many people be complaining about the President being/not being a citizen? Why would so many people be arguing about the true meaning of the 14th amendment in regards to immigration?
I'd say it's entirely subjective and up to interpretation.
They try to add their own "interpretations" of Constitutional meanings because they disagree with what it actually says.
Lets use the 2nd as an example....
Anti gun people ignore history, the writings of the founding fathers, and the exact words of the 2nd Amendment itself because they just dont like guns. They twist or just plain make up their own definitions, so the interpretation fits squarely with their political beliefs.
The very idea of interpreting means you dont understand the original subject.
They try to add their own "interpretations" of Constitutional meanings because they disagree with what it actually says.
Lets use the 2nd as an example....
Anti gun people ignore history, the writings of the founding fathers, and the exact words of the 2nd Amendment itself because they just dont like guns. They twist or just plain make up their own definitions, so the interpretation fits squarely with their political beliefs.
The very idea of interpreting means you dont understand the original subject.
Ah, so you just disagree with their interpretation, and they disagree with yours. They feel you're making up your own definitions because of your political beliefs as well.
What makes yours more correct than theirs? Why is your opinion the superior one? Because you think it is?
There's a simple test to determine how "bad" things have become.
Ask TEN people to define America's form of government.
To make it easy, give them a choice from the following:
[A] Democratic form
[.B] Indirect democracy
[C] Constitutional democracy
[D] Socialist democracy
[E] Republican form
If they remembered Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON, they would have guessed:
[E] Republican form.
Now, the "tricky" part -
Ask them to define, in legal terms: what is a republican form of government?
[F] a republic
[G] a constitutionally limited democracy
[H] a commonwealth
[.I] a parliamentary democracy
[J] a hereditary oligarchy
If they guessed [H], a commonwealth, very good. If they guessed [F], very bad. A republic is not synonymous with a republican form.
Now, lets see if they can guess what the definition of a commonwealth is?
[K] form of government in which the administration of affairs is open to all the citizens.
[L] it signifies the state, independent of its form of government.
[M] one in which the welfare and rights of the entire mass of people are the main consideration, rather than the privileges of a class or the will of the monarch.
[N] form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens.
If they guessed [M] then they are 1 in 10,000.
Now, the finale - of the following descriptions, which one refers to a republican form of government?
[P] One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people directly.
[Q] The form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens indirectly.
[R] Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws.
If they answered [P], congratulations, they are 1 in 100,000. [Q] refers to a democratic form, and [R] can refer to any other form of government, but not a republican form.
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References:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; ....
- - - United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.
REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, ... directly, .... In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary
COMMONWEALTH - ...It generally designates, when so employed, a republican form of government, - one in which the welfare and rights of the entire mass of people are the main consideration, rather than the privileges of a class or the will of the monarch;...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 278
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There's a simple test to determine how "bad" things have become.
Ask TEN people to define America's form of government.
To make it easy, give them a choice from the following:
[A] Democratic form Indirect democracy [C] Constitutional democracy [D] Socialist democracy [E] Republican form
If they remembered Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON, they would have guessed: [E] Republican form.
Now, the "tricky" part -
<B>Ask them to define, in legal terms: what is a republican form of government?
[F] a republic
</B>
[G] a constitutionally limited democracy [H] a commonwealth [i] a parliamentary democracy [J] a hereditary oligarchy
If they guessed [H], a commonwealth, very good. If they guessed [F], very bad. A republic is not synonymous with a republican form.
<B>Now, lets see if they can guess what the definition of a commonwealth is?
[K] form of government in which the administration of affairs is open to all the citizens.
</B>
[L] it signifies the state, independent of its form of government. [M] one in which the welfare and rights of the entire mass of people are the main consideration, rather than the privileges of a class or the will of the monarch. [N] form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens.
If they guessed [M] then they are 1 in 10,000.
<B>Now, the finale - of the following descriptions, which one refers to a republican form of government?
[P] One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people directly.
</B>
[Q] The form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens indirectly. [R] Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws.
If they answered [P], congratulations, they are 1 in 100,000. [Q] refers to a democratic form, and [R] can refer to any other form of government, but not a republican form.
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<B>References:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; ....
</B>
- - - United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.
REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, ... directly, .... In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627. - - - Black's Law Dictionary
[b]COMMONWEALTH - ...It generally designates, when so employed, a republican form of government, - one in which the welfare and rights of the entire mass of people are the main consideration, rather than the privileges of a class or the will of the monarch;...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 278
Seriously? You must be into Alex Jones disciple sovereign citizen tin foil hat stuff if you think any of that matters to normal people living out their daily lives. Where is the part about the right kind of fringe on the flag and all of the other typical nonsense?
Seriously? You must be into Alex Jones disciple sovereign citizen tin foil hat stuff if you think any of that matters to normal people living out their daily lives. Where is the part about the right kind of fringe on the flag and all of the other typical nonsense?
CONGRATULATIONS !
You may have outed yourself as an agent of propaganda to dissuade AMERICANS from reading their own law.
And those three references you disparage as "tin foil" or nonsense, exposes the DANGER to Americans who are ignorant of the basic laws of their nation.
BTW - there is no such thing as a "Sovereign Citizen". The term is an oxymoron.
Citizens are subjects, by definition.
But if you've paid attention, you might wish to ask your public servants to explain how "sovereign people" who directly exercise that sovereignty (in a republican form) became "subject citizens" in a democratic form (or socialist democratic form).
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If anything, if anyone comes here & refuse to learn and absorb American culture is Anti - American.
You're right and it is blatantly dishonest for this poster to claim we are anti-"immigrant". No, we are not we are anti-illegal alien!
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