Supreme Court strikes down Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to vote (Hispanics, cost)

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Here is an example.

In Colorado, the process identified 4,000 suspect voters (the list has grown to 5,000 this year). In New Mexico, the process yielded no names. But in Florida, the voter rolls contained the names of 180,000 people that weren't citizens

Evidently you never followed up on your information.

To quickly recap: In Florida it was initially asserted that as many as 180,000 potential non-citizens were registered to vote. Claims of registered non-citizens in Colorado were smaller, but still in the thousands — over 11,000. But as time went by, these lists decreased in size. In Florida, 180,000 morphed into 2,600 and later into 198, while in the Centennial state 11,000 shrunk to 3,900 and then to 141. The final numbers represent thousandths of a percent of all registered voters in each state.

Thousands of Non-Citizen Voters? It

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

It doesn't matter. The option to do it is there.

See? That's the difference between the real world and your imaginary alternative. What matters is what is actually true, not what is hypothetically possible.

[KaaBoom]

Originally Posted by bUU

Supreme Court strikes down Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to vote - U.S. News

Oh no. What are Arizona conservatives going to do now to keep those pesty Democrats from voting? I got an idea, lets bring back the poll tax. Oh no, the SCOTUS ruled against that too. Damn.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Here is an example.

In Colorado, the process identified 4,000 suspect voters (the list has grown to 5,000 this year). In New Mexico, the process yielded no names. But in Florida, the voter rolls contained the names of 180,000 people that weren't citizens

I live in Colorado... and am even personal friends with Scott Gessler, our SoS who was responsible for this particular little witch hunt. It proved to be a massive embarrassment to him.

Noncitizen voters ID'd fraction of those first alleged by Gessler - The Denver Post

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by OICU812

The person still needs to state, under penalty of perjury, that they are an American citizen. Arizona was just taking it a step further and requiring certifiable proof of US citizenship.

Not anymore they're not.

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

A woman tried to vote 6 times???!!!!! Oh my god. And how many people voted in that election? Would her six votes have had ANY impact, at all, on the outcome of the election?? The answer is no.

Voter fraud is a problem in that this woman should be vigorously prosecuted because voter fraud goes against the very principles at the heart of our republic. Prosecution of voter fraud when it turns up protects the integrity of our system.

But your belief that widespread fraud already corrupts the integrity of that system is not based on actual facts. The facts are that voting is observed and monitored by the political parties in our country and by impartial observers from international organizations, and there is NO evidence that voter fraud is anything but a rare and isolated occurrence, and that voter fraud has virtually no impact on election outcomes.

We already know that many various types of voter fraud are going on, and we know we don't catch it all, and probably very little of it is actually caught in the act. We have the dead voting, we have imaginary people registering, we have people voting across state lines, illegal aliens voting, we have people posing as other people, and voting in their place. All Arizon was trying to do, was eliminate one type of voter fraud, but they went about it the wrong way.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

... while in the Centennial state 11,000 shrunk to 3,900 and then to 141.

Of which only 35 actually cast ballots; 0.001 percent of Colorado's 3.5 million registered voters.

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Not anymore they're not.

Are you saying that took the citizenship requirement out of the federal elections law?

[gomexico]

Originally Posted by OICU812

We already know that many various types of voter fraud are going on, and we know we don't catch it all, and probably very little of it is actually caught in the act. We have the dead voting, we have imaginary people registering, we have people voting across state lines, illegal aliens voting, we have people posing as other people, and voting in their place. All Arizon was trying to do, was eliminate one type of voter fraud, but they went about it the wrong way.

So, then, what we have is a conspiracy on a grand scale involving Republicans and Democrats .... who are allowing people not entitled to vote ... to vote?

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

I live in Colorado... and am even personal friends with Scott Gessler, our SoS who was responsible for this particular little witch hunt. It proved to be a massive embarrassment to him.

Noncitizen voters ID'd fraction of those first alleged by Gessler - The Denver Post

What was the vote count in 2000 again? We do need to go after voter fraud, just because the Secretary of State exaggerated the numbers does not mean we should not be aggressively trying to stop voter fraud. Once we toss dozens of people in prison, it may be enough to prevent other types of voter fraud.