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If what you mean is living in a state that does not recognize gay marriage but traveling to and marrying in a state that does, unfortunately will not mean you would get all the Federal benefits. Fed benefits that are based on place of celebration are Veterans and Immigration. Tax benefits are tied to the state of residence. However the President could issue an executive order to change that.
If DOMA is struck down, Federal benefits will be granted to all states. State benefits, however, will not unless that state has legal same-sex marriage.
"winning this" - I never completed with anyone in my life- I just don't believe that competition brings about the best in us. There is nothing to oppose when it comes to gay marriage..you know and I know that it is not a marriage but a legal civil union...Let them have their fantasy...and pretend they are just like their mother and father- people love tradition..gays are no different. YOU don't have to believe in gay marriage...no one is forcing you- I don't believe in it..but people are entitled to dream...We all dream
If DOMA is struck down, Federal benefits will be granted to all states. State benefits, however, will not unless that state has legal same-sex marriage.
To me this is the big question, assuming SCOTUS kills DOMA but punts on Prop 8.
So here you have a very undesirable situation. What if a couple crosses the border for 20 minutes to marry, but continues living in their home state where same-sex marriage isn't allowed? You say that couple will get federal benefits, but the state won't recognize anything. You could conceivably have a scenario in which two gay neighbors (one couple married in another state, the other did not) who are being treated differently under the law only because one of them hasn't yet crossed the border and signed a piece of paper. What if a couple living (and married) in an equality state MOVES to a state with no equality?
How does this not completely violate equal protection? I don't see how SCOTUS or any other governing body can continue to sanction the states making their own laws about marriage. The patchwork of marriage across the country would become even more glaring.
To me this is the big question, assuming SCOTUS kills DOMA but punts on Prop 8.
So here you have a very undesirable situation. What if a couple crosses the border for 20 minutes to marry, but continues living in their home state where same-sex marriage isn't allowed? You say that couple will get federal benefits, but the state won't recognize anything. You could conceivably have a scenario in which two gay neighbors (one couple married in another state, the other did not) who are being treated differently under the law only because one of them hasn't yet crossed the border and signed a piece of paper. What if a couple living (and married) in an equality state MOVES to a state with no equality?
How does this not completely violate equal protection? I don't see how SCOTUS or any other governing body can continue to sanction the states making their own laws about marriage. The patchwork of marriage across the country would become even more glaring.
There will be many cases taken to court regarding this. I will be getting married in DC, but my home state doesn't recognize SSM. I can not move due to my partners job (we transferred here 2 years ago). When she retires, we will be moving to a friendlier area.
"winning this" - I never completed with anyone in my life- I just don't believe that competition brings about the best in us. There is nothing to oppose when it comes to gay marriage..you know and I know that it is not a marriage but a legal civil union...Let them have their fantasy...and pretend they are just like their mother and father- people love tradition..gays are no different. YOU don't have to believe in gay marriage...no one is forcing you- I don't believe in it..but people are entitled to dream...We all dream
You're the dreamer, because you've got your eyes closed and fingers in your ears going, "lalalalalalalalala, I can't hear you or see you! lalalalalalala!"
Meanwhile, your country just passed a milestone on the issue:
There will be many cases taken to court regarding this. I will be getting married in DC, but my home state doesn't recognize SSM. I can not move due to my partners job (we transferred here 2 years ago). When she retires, we will be moving to a friendlier area.
OK, so in your case, we have a situation you might describe as "federal marriage." Right now, it's counties that issue marriage licenses (a city in your case). Perhaps that practice needs to end.
A couple gets married out-of-state. Their home state government says, "That marriage license is not valid here." The federal government, however, says, "It's valid as far as we're concerned!"
So how does this allow states to continue dictating who can marry? Do you see what I'm driving at? I believe the federal government needs to revoke the states' authority on marriage and begin issuing their own federal marriage licenses.
OK, so in your case, we have a situation you might describe as "federal marriage." Right now, it's counties that issue marriage licenses (a city in your case). Perhaps that practice needs to end.
A couple gets married out-of-state. Their home state government says, "That marriage license is not valid here." The federal government, however, says, "It's valid as far as we're concerned!"
So how does this allow states to continue dictating who can marry? Do you see what I'm driving at? I believe the federal government needs to revoke the states' authority on marriage and begin issuing their own federal marriage licenses.
I agree. the laws should be uniform across the country. People move a lot more today than they did in the past. Then there are military families, what do they do when transferred to a new base? They have no say at all in the move.
marriage isn't a right my little sugar pie, it's a tax. stop being pathetic. gays want to marry for financial reasons, because they are super greedy. they want that money and the benefits that comes with their state contract. you do know that this is city-data.com, and not city-data.ca right?
Actually gay marriage is about their relationships being declared by the government as being fully equal to heterosexual relationships. If it was just about the tax breaks, gays would be satisfied with civil unions but if you mention you support civil unions and not marriage you are considered almost as bad as Fred Phelps.
As for the OP's question, there is no way conservatives can win this without something apocalyptic happening causing society to return to more traditional values.
Republicans need to give up on this issue. It's THE make or break issue for many young voters so as long as they continue to campaign against this, I don't see the GOP ever winning another national election.
To me this is the big question, assuming SCOTUS kills DOMA but punts on Prop 8.
So here you have a very undesirable situation. What if a couple crosses the border for 20 minutes to marry, but continues living in their home state where same-sex marriage isn't allowed? You say that couple will get federal benefits, but the state won't recognize anything. You could conceivably have a scenario in which two gay neighbors (one couple married in another state, the other did not) who are being treated differently under the law only because one of them hasn't yet crossed the border and signed a piece of paper. What if a couple living (and married) in an equality state MOVES to a state with no equality?
How does this not completely violate equal protection? I don't see how SCOTUS or any other governing body can continue to sanction the states making their own laws about marriage. The patchwork of marriage across the country would become even more glaring.
That is what happened to the couple, Loving, they were a black woman and a white man who married outside of their state of Virginia and were arrested in Virginia for cohabiting interracially which was against the law in Virginia and so was interracial marriage, only marriage to ones own race was legal.
This arbitrary discrimination against gay people needs to stop, we have no more choice in who we fall in love with or are attracted to than any of you straight people, we cannot choose to be attracted to the same sex. Can any truly straight person make that physical and mental choice to find the same sex sexually attractive and do it? I can tell if a woman is beautiful or physically attractive, but that does not mean that I am physically attracted to women.
I was born in 1960 and after Loving verses Virginia when I was going on 8, interracial marriage became legal nationwide. I still remember hearing older people saying things when they saw a black man with a white woman, like "aren't there enough black women for them, leave our white women alone" "why can't they be happy with someone of their own race" and a lot harsher words, much of it coming from my horrible step dad. He hated anyone that was not white and god fearing. Would be polite, smile at them and say thank you, but count his change when he left, saying, "can't trust those [ put any race, creed, color here], have to count my change, can't trust a $%^&*( ".
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