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Old 06-18-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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You can watch the NSA hearings live here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/livestre...mittee-hearing

It's very interesting. Right now they are saying how they go about tracking a supposed terrorist.

And how they go about tracking an American abroad, if they are a suspected terrorist.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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If they want to monitor an American in the U.S. they claim they have to get the FISA court's permission in order to intercept that person's communications.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If they want to monitor an American in the U.S. they claim they have to get the FISA court's permission in order to intercept that person's communications.
Stick to warrants because that requires probable cause.

It's the blanket court orders that you want to hear about.
The devices installed at telecomm locations syphoning from the internet backbone you want to hear about.

The hearings will uncover NOTHING and won't differentiate warranted searches from mass data grabbing.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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Now they are saying:

The FBI and NSA are looking at the architectural framework of the program.

The NSA is committed to looking at that process and give recommendations to Congress.

The important thing is to quote: "Speed in crisis."
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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If they want to monitor an American in the U.S. they claim they have to get the FISA court's permission in order to intercept that person's communications.
Yes, because it's one single person and they want to do it in realtime.

But the daily record gathering is not real time listening..it's after the fact.
The NSA has 60 days of my phone calls based on that one court order shown to us.

No one got a warrant on my phone nor the other 121,000,000 Verizon subscribers.
Yet they read every phone call I've made.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Stick to warrants because that requires probable cause.

It's the blanket court orders that you want to hear about.
The devices installed at telecomm locations syphoning from the internet backbone you want to hear about.

The hearings will uncover NOTHING and won't differentiate warranted searches from mass data grabbing.
I think you would find the hearings very interesting. You can listen to them and still be on CD
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Now they are saying:

The FBI and NSA are looking at the architectural framework of the program.

The NSA is committed to looking at that process and give recommendations to Congress.

The important thing is to quote: "Speed in crisis."

They used that already. They can't wait for a warrant because Americans will die if they have to wait.

Someone needs to ask about Boston and FT Hood.
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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Yes, because it's one single person and they want to do it in realtime.

But the daily record gathering is not real time listening..it's after the fact.
The NSA has 60 days of my phone calls based on that one court order shown to us.

No one got a warrant on my phone nor the other 121,000,000 Verizon subscribers.
Yet they read every phone call I've made.
Yes, and they are just talking about checks and balances on that.

They are talking about access to those records via court approval. The court lays out the standards that allow them to make a query on an individual's telecommunications data.
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:03 AM
 
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I think you would find the hearings very interesting. You can listen to them and still be on CD
No, the MSM articles get me upset enough.
If you are not computer savvy then you won't see the lies and disinformation they are giving out.

I stopped reading.

Warrants and court orders are two different beasts.
Internet providers don't' own the internet, the telecoms do.
No one is talking about Narus and splitters and internet backbone and PRISM.

It's all fluffy..foreign terrorists, child abductions, consumer fraud, etc.
Total unadulterated BS being fed to the masses that don't know any different.
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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Stick to warrants because that requires probable cause.

It's the blanket court orders that you want to hear about.
The devices installed at telecomm locations syphoning from the internet backbone you want to hear about.

The hearings will uncover NOTHING and won't differentiate warranted searches from mass data grabbing.
I imagine it will be quite the dog n pony show.
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