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When you have a economy that is in the dumps and inflation at 6.5% eventually some is going to cause protest driven by the basics once a target is seen that sends it over the top.
I think we are beginning to see the reasons for the outrage with more clarity now. I'd be protesting too.
LOL.
The Brazilian state governments could at least hire more janitorial and maintenance crews to clean those health care facilities like the ones in the first video of post #59.
That might be one of a several minor cases out of what was a peaceful protest carried out by the majority. But I don't know how looting and destruction of property helps, or even helps your fellow protestors?
Yes, now that they are givers instead of takers they care.
Isn't it funny how things work out ?
Takers? I take it you haven't EVER been to Brazil. I spent a big chunk of time there around 1990-92, and there was almost no middle class then--you were either wealthy, or you were living in a corrugated tin shack and carrying your drinking water in. The government didn't give those people squat--they weren't "taking" anything. The Samba schools--local community groups in the favelas or slums--used the money they raised from the big carnival parades to operate local schools for the children and medical clinics. The government provided zero to those people--if they couldn't raise the money for it in the slums it didn't happen, and people lived in abject poverty there. When I was there, you'd see homeless orphans--little 5 and 6 year olds--sleeping in groups under horse carts at night on the streets in Rio, and the police were murdering them and dumping the bodies because the kids were surviving by pick-pocketing tourists in the shopping areas. It was a mess, and it's about time that things change.
The big change isn't that they care more now because they're paying taxes--the people in the favelas have ALWAYS cared and fought to try to help themselves--it's that they have some political power now. An increase in jobs in areas like manufacturing and agriculture has given more people an opportunity to have an education and livable income, and they're in a position to finally fight back. Before they were just trying to survive from day to day, and had no say.
Takers? I take it you haven't EVER been to Brazil. I spent a big chunk of time there around 1990-92, and there was almost no middle class then--you were either wealthy, or you were living in a corrugated tin shack and carrying your drinking water in. The government didn't give those people squat--they weren't "taking" anything. The Samba schools--local community groups in the favelas or slums--used the money they raised from the big carnival parades to operate local schools for the children and medical clinics. The government provided zero to those people--if they couldn't raise the money for it in the slums it didn't happen, and people lived in abject poverty there. When I was there, you'd see homeless orphans--little 5 and 6 year olds--sleeping in groups under horse carts at night on the streets in Rio, and the police were murdering them and dumping the bodies because the kids were surviving by pick-pocketing tourists in the shopping areas. It was a mess, and it's about time that things change.
The big change isn't that they care more now because they're paying taxes--the people in the favelas have ALWAYS cared and fought to try to help themselves--it's that they have some political power now. An increase in jobs in areas like manufacturing and agriculture has given more people an opportunity to have an education and livable income, and they're in a position to finally fight back. Before they were just trying to survive from day to day, and had no say.
Don't let facts get in their way mb. They will forever & always blame all on the poor. That's just how they are. Pity them.
Takers? I take it you haven't EVER been to Brazil. I spent a big chunk of time there around 1990-92, and there was almost no middle class then--you were either wealthy, or you were living in a corrugated tin shack and carrying your drinking water in. The government didn't give those people squat--they weren't "taking" anything. The Samba schools--local community groups in the favelas or slums--used the money they raised from the big carnival parades to operate local schools for the children and medical clinics. The government provided zero to those people--if they couldn't raise the money for it in the slums it didn't happen, and people lived in abject poverty there. When I was there, you'd see homeless orphans--little 5 and 6 year olds--sleeping in groups under horse carts at night on the streets in Rio, and the police were murdering them and dumping the bodies because the kids were surviving by pick-pocketing tourists in the shopping areas. It was a mess, and it's about time that things change.
The big change isn't that they care more now because they're paying taxes--the people in the favelas have ALWAYS cared and fought to try to help themselves--it's that they have some political power now. An increase in jobs in areas like manufacturing and agriculture has given more people an opportunity to have an education and livable income, and they're in a position to finally fight back. Before they were just trying to survive from day to day, and had no say.
You are implying that, when they were poor, that fact prevented them from marching in the streets?
Nonsensical.
Their new-found political power will be exercised in a quiet voting booth. There is a difference now, attributable to societal contributions and nothing else.
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