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Old 06-18-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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Not really, but if it makes you feel better believing in ghosts.
Ghosts have no bearing. You are speaking way too generally.


You seem to imply people don't experience "negative" consequences w/ no evidence to support such a claim and ample evidence to the contrary.

Are you claiming that issues dealing with alphabet agencies are no different than others?
Are you implying that discussing high level TS subjects is common among family and friends, really?
Are you implying that the currently discussed agency must not be doing much since we aren't hearing about it?
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Ghosts have no bearing. You are speaking way too generally.


You seem to imply people don't experience "negative" consequences w/ no evidence to support such a claim and ample evidence to the contrary.

Are you claiming that issues dealing with alphabet agencies are no different than others?
Are you implying that discussing high level TS subjects is common among family and friends, really?
Are you implying that the currently discussed agency must not be doing much since we aren't hearing about it?
Discussing TS stuff is not "common", but people would be surprised what circulates in the community. People speak in generalizations to avoid getting their or their friends' clearances revoked. That is why I refuse to even entertain BS discussions about hypothetical capabilities. It is akin to believing in ghosts and UFOs.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Discussing TS stuff is not "common", but people would be surprised what circulates in the community. That is why I refuse to even entertain BS discussions about hypothetical capabilities. It is akin to believing in ghosts and UFOs.
And what is a hypothetical capability ?
You really think the government and their labs and partnerships with private industry are not ahead of us in technology ?
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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It's amazing how much faith you have in government bureaucracy to have algorithms and machines more capable than in private business or in research labs like CMU or MIT.

Storage means NOTHING without the capability of sucking in the massive bandwidth in real-time. That is why they only store metadata on a large scale, because it's impossible to store signals from a large population simultaneously.
Why do these need to be mutually exclusive?

Govt maybe full of bureaucracy but they own and run most of the planet. So not too shabby.

They also own most companies publicly traded corps through shares. They are perfectly capable of hiring someone indirectly or directly. Doesn't mean everyone is going to know about what goes on.

That said hard to discuss much of anything w/o specifics.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The world's fastest computers in the US did not come from universities.
They came from government and private partnerships.

Academia provides the geeks.
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Old 06-18-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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Discussing TS stuff is not "common", but people would be surprised what circulates in the community. People speak in generalizations to avoid getting their or their friends' clearances revoked. That is why I refuse to even entertain BS discussions about hypothetical capabilities. It is akin to believing in ghosts and UFOs.
Kinda seems like you are the one that not only discussed this hypothetical, but brought it up.

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Many believe zilch. PGP is secure unless there's reason to believe otherwise. You don't think there are NSA folks who would've told already? Research colleagues stick together and have a bond much tighter than the most elevated security clearances. It would've gotten out if the NSA had the capability of cracking PGP.

Again, encyption grows exponentially in complexity as you increase bit size. Computational power only grows linearly. PGP is safe from the NSA.

However, I can generally agree with the premise.
Many people know and have known those w/ TS clearance. Not uncommon. However, I don't see such content being discussed.
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Old 06-18-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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Oh I don't.

The NSA contracts their services to companies like Palantir.


As far as hardware..the government has partnered with companies for every "World's fastest computer" going back years.
Each of the National Labs has their turn partnering with private industry to create the world's fastest computer.
And when it's announced they are well into the next one.

The most recent is Titan.. Oak Ridge and Cray. Planning for that one started back in 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(supercomputer)
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The semiannual TOP500 listing of the world's fastest supercomputers released Monday says the Tianhe-2 developed by the National University of Defense Technology in central China's Changsha city is capable of sustained computing of 33.86 petaflops per second. That's the equivalent of 33,860 trillion calculations per second.

The Tianhe-2, which means Milky Way-2, knocks the U.S. Energy Department's Titan machine off the No. 1 spot. It achieved 17.59 petaflops per second.
Chinese supercomputer named as world's fastest
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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Yeah looks like they have plans for the Titan in 2016. China certainly appears to be making some remarkable headway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28supercomputer%29
Chinese physicists create first single-photon quantum memory, leading to quantum internet | ExtremeTech
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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If you are a techie or are computer literate this is a very good article with theories of how they may be doing what they are doing.

PRISM: Here's how the NSA wiretapped the Internet | Page 2 | ZDNet
You know this MiM w/ certificate forging is similar to what was reported awhile back with the FBI and the whole DNS trojan story. Then there were reports of cookies being planted on "prepper" sites to track.

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It is getting bad. FBI secretly redirecting and tracking people. Now my guess is they will deny it and say it is related to the DNS trojan. That is why that odd FBI story came out before March 8th. Plausible deniability. I told people in the tech section to pay attention. Right after that alphabet agency Anonymous anounced an attack on root DNS servers on March 31st.

Prison Planet.com » FBI Secretly Redirected Traffic Of Survival Blog

Trojan DNS story.
DNS Changer Trojan: FBI might shutdown the Internet on March 8 | Cyberwarzone
replacement link for anon story related to this.
Anonymous Threatens To Take Down Entire Internet | WebProNews

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Old 06-19-2013, 06:23 PM
 
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Someone else's comments on the hearings.
5 Disturbing Takeaways from NSA Chief Keith Alexander's Hearings ...
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