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Old 06-19-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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People have been suing the government since before Citizens United and will be after it's overturned or legislated away.

This proposed legislation doesn't change the Constitution. It changes an interpretation of the Constitution. There's a significant difference.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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People have been suing the government since before Citizens United and will be after it's overturned or legislated away.

This proposed legislation doesn't change the Constitution. It changes an interpretation of the Constitution. There's a significant difference.
Of course it changes the Constitution

I'm surprised so many people are pro Amendment and anti ACLU on this.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We weigh liberty and speech differently. I do not trust the government when it takes rights away and tells me not to worry because Congress will grant me the rights I should have.

I think this is a frivolous reason to tamper with the most important document we got.

The ACLU (and NAACP) will not be able to sue the government unless Congress grants them that right. Well, I don't like the idea of getting rights through Congress. And you're basically waiting for Congress to restore rights they took away to allow you to sue Congress.

I don't trust that though I think this is likely a publicity ploy.

This is what the ACLU has to say:

We understand that the amount of money now being spent on political campaigns has created a growing skepticism in the integrity of our election system that raises serious concerns. We firmly believe, however, that the response to those concerns must be consistent with our constitutional commitment to freedom of speech and association. For that reason, the ACLU does not support campaign finance regulation premised on the notion that the answer to money in politics is to ban political speech.

The ACLU and Citizens United | American Civil Liberties Union
we have gotten all our rights through Congress since the founding of this country.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Of course it changes the Constitution

I'm surprised so many people are pro Amendment and anti ACLU on this.
The Constitution is a living document and has always been changing since its creation. If we had never made any changes, blacks would still be slaves and women would have no rights at all.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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we have gotten all our rights through Congress since the founding of this country.
Oh. My.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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The Constitution is a living document and has always been changing since its creation. If we had never made any changes, blacks would still be slaves and women would have no rights at all.
Did I argue otherwise? I'm asking if taking away rights mentioned in the OP is a good idea or not.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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Oh. My.
Who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? That is where the beginning of our rights come from in this country.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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Did I argue otherwise? I'm asking if taking away rights mentioned in the OP is a good idea or not.
Getting rid of Citizens United is a good idea, limited the amount of money a corporation can infuse into politics is a good idea. Unless you are saying you would rather have politicians that have the best interests of their corporate donors in mind, first and foremost.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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ACLU isn't a corporation.
How can someone pretend to know so much, but be so wrong all the time..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...iberties_Union

The ACLU consists of two separate non-profit organizations: the ACLU, and the ACLU Foundation. Both organizations engage in litigation, advocacy of civil rights, and education. The ACLU is a 501(c)(4) corporation which also engages in political lobbying, and donations to that component of the ACLU are not tax deductible. The ACLU Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation, which does not engage in lobbying, and donations to it are tax deductible.[SIZE=2][14][/SIZE]
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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To remove corporate influence from politicians is a big priority, and a group like the ACLU would be able to find a way around the corporation issue to continue to sue the NSA.
Then clearly you'd agree that they shouldnt be liable to pay taxes, right?
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