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Most filibusters are overcome? If that were true, there would be more things getting past Congress that the Republicans have filibustered over the years.
Fantastic demonstration of the obstructionism of the Republicans. It is amazing that President Obama has gotten so much accomplished, given how petulantly obstructing the right-wing has been.
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That's not the point.
Of course it is. Just because it repudiates the perspective you like doesn't make it "not the point".
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Disingenuousness noted.
Self-serving nonsense, noted.
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What a bunch of Lying idiots .
What a bunch of self-delusion and selective memory on your part.
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What a bunch of Lying idiots .
People aren't saying what you agree with, so your response is to stop around and pout.
Precisely. Right on target. It's the right-wing's default response to not getting their way.
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How stupid can you folks get?????
How many times can you double-down on the practice of childish rudeness? If you have a perpsective to share, on the topic, do it. Alternatively, if all you're here to do is call people names and claim that you're smart and they're dumb, then leave. There is a lot of leeway given here with regard to the rules, especially with regard to responses in kind, but your comments plumb the depths of violation.
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And back to square one you go, it was sold as insurance for everyone because it originally had the Public Option....the final product did not have the Public Option....can't make it any more clear to you than that.
Wait for the next round of whining, because the facts don't support the right-wing perspective.
And back to square one you go, it was sold as insurance for everyone because it originally had the Public Option....the final product did not have the Public Option....can't make it any more clear to you than that.
Then why did it pass?....AND why was this not brought to the attention of the PEOPLE WHO WERE TOLD IT WAS GOING TO COVER EVERYONE, before it ws voted on....damn, is it that hard to understand for the left....
I'll tell you why, because if it were sold like that, it never would have gathered the little strenght it did....
So you are saying the Republicans are just sitting around at the mercy of the Democrats who are stopping their own bills from going through? That makes no sense, if the Republicans weren't filibustering or threatening to filibuster anything, we would see bills being passed left and right with only a majority win.
Do you think a filibuster will stop a vote? Or do the dems not just want to debate for that long over a bill, maybe you need to go read that 26 page PDF file I posted....
Then ask Canada how they do it, my guess is it would function the same here as it does anywhere else that has universal healthcare, which is just about any other country you go to.
Why do people come from Canada to the US for health care?
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The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought
medical treatment outside of Canada
in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with
statistics from 1993.
Non-partisan Fraser Institute? Is that different from the conservative libertarian Fraser Institute?
Living under a conservative government, I'd guess the increase in wait time is not so much a flaw inherent in the system so much as the right's failure to add infrastructure as population increases. They're the ones who, in a stroke of genius, robbed our system of $40/person/month. They're the ones who tried to buy my vote with an oil royalty kickback instead of investing it in the province like a truly conservative conservative would.
As for going over the border for health care, so what? We aren't some fascist dictatorship, people are free to seek health care as, when, and wherever they like.
Non-partisan Fraser Institute? Is that different from the conservative libertarian Fraser Institute?
Living under a conservative government, I'd guess the increase in wait time is not so much a flaw inherent in the system so much as the right's failure to add infrastructure as population increases. They're the ones who, in a stroke of genius, robbed our system of $40/person/month. They're the ones who tried to buy my vote with an oil royalty kickback instead of investing it in the province like a truly conservative conservative would.
As for going over the border for health care, so what? We aren't some fascist dictatorship, people are free to seek health care as, when, and wherever they like.
So sad you think that only 1 article was ever made about this: Typical of a leftist....
Actually he probably paid for much of it through his taxes, as well as having the cost spread out among all the people in the country.
Why do you have such a hatred towards having all Americans having health insurance? I will never understand this way of thinking.
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We pool our money and pay for each other. It's not like I'm getting "free" healthcare at no cost to me. I've been paying into it for decades.
It seems like the only fair and just thing to do, but let's not forget that we're "Godless commies" up here.
Nobody should suffer because they lack health care. It's barbaric.
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I paid my part. No problem. That's how insurance works.
(Actually, we're in different provinces so I probably didn't, but I trust you get the point.)
uhm....really now???
1. we(the USA) have a population of 320 million
2. with less than 100 million tax payers
we would be ok with singlepayer (as long as its not the typical governmental CRAPcare)...except for the COST..something liberals NEVER WANT TO ADMIT TO
1. mediCARE is not singlepayer...it is a 80/20 insurance
2. the closest thing to singlepayer is medicAID
fact to cover all 320 million people at 80/20 would cost about 3 trillion a year...to cover all at 100% would cost about 6 trillion
number of tax FILERS 130 million...number with a POSITIVE TAX LIABILITY about 65 million
6 trillion divided by 130 million is......46k.
do you ( a taxpayer) have 46 THOUSAND DOLLARS laying around YEARLY.....I think not
even at the 3 trillion mark...that is over 23 thousand a year
singlepayer is ABUSE of the taxpayer
singlepayer would cost 3 - 6 trillion ANNUALLY (remember the federal government ALREADY SPENDS 1 trillion a year between medicare/medicaid/ and the VA)...meanwhile our national revenue(personal income/ coprprate income/ and excise taxes) is only 2.5 trillion
you do the math... the taxpayer cant afford it
singlepayer...would cost 3 to 6 trillion in the USA to cover the 320 million people...depending on the EXTENT of the coverage (ie 3 trillion for a 80/20 policy with many things not covered...or 6 trillion with a 100% (medicaid type) coverage minus cosmetic)
we have 120 million tax FILERS
of those 120 million tax FILERS nearly 50% dont have a positive tax liability (pay taxes)
3 trillion divided by (the full filers) 120 million is 25k
6 trillion divided by 120 million is 50k
3 trillion divided by 65 million (high estimeate of actual tax payers) is 46k
6 trillion divided by 65 million is 90k
can the average tax payer afford 25k - 90k in taxes ANNUALLY????
oh and btw the average health insurance premium is nearly 20k also...most workers only pay 25% while their EMPLOYER pays the other 75%...under singlepayer..no more employer chipping in...its ALL on the taxpayer
And back to square one you go, it was sold as insurance for everyone because it originally had the Public Option....the final product did not have the Public Option....can't make it any more clear to you than that.
Must have been OK with Democrats if it was passed with the public option.
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