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Old 06-23-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Who is being asinine? Suggesting that it's a great idea to get drunk and passed out at a drunken high school jock or college fraternity party isn't asinine? I'm saying it's not wise to get completely wasted and passed out at a party with drunken boys and men if you're a 15 year old girl -- that's stupid? I think it's just good advice.

The fact is -- some have said "no means no" which obviously it does but the girl did not say no -- that's a fact, she was so passed out she didn't even know she was being raped until several days later after the fact. That little girl should have been given a 10 pm curfew and been home and safe in her own bed. This was also a result of very poor parenting -- also poor parenting of the boys who were given the use of houses to have their drunken orgies.
If you can't say yes it is no. There is no grey area because you are drunk or passed out or asleep. It is all no unless you say yes.


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Old 06-23-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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Who is being asinine? Suggesting that it's a great idea to get drunk and passed out at a drunken high school jock or college fraternity party isn't asinine? I'm saying it's not wise to get completely wasted and passed out at a party with drunken boys and men if you're a 15 year old girl -- that's stupid? I think it's just good advice.

The fact is -- some have said "no means no" which obviously it does but the girl did not say no -- that's a fact, she was so passed out she didn't even know she was being raped until several days later after the fact. That little girl should have been given a 10 pm curfew and been home and safe in her own bed. This was also a result of very poor parenting -- also poor parenting of the boys who were given the use of houses to have their drunken orgies.
The courts have been very clear here. She does not need to say no for it to be rape.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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The courts have been very clear here. She does not need to say no for it to be rape.
Which is fine -- so why not castrate them and all other rapists?

The problem with our very liberal legal system is that the punishment for rapists including child rapists -- a 15 year old is certainly a child is that they will be released from prison and back into society. Then we wonder why it's dangerous for drunken 15 year old girls.

We should have a society that is safe for 15 year old girls no matter how drunken passed out they are but not by being too easy on criminals. The only thing that would help rapists live in society would be castration.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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If you can't say yes it is no. There is no grey area because you are drunk or passed out or asleep. It is all no unless you say yes.


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Okay -- so why do liberals turn around and think castration is too harsh? Let's get the rapists castrated.

Liberal society is why it's become so unsafe for young girls partying the night away, liberals actually are who makes it so easy on the criminals. The rapists in this case just like all the others will get off very light. Bill Clinton never did go to prison or suffer a single consequence for his rape of Juanita Brodderick, what lesson did that send these jocks?
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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You don't seem to get it. There is no curfew on getting raped. Your daughter could get raped at any time. Will you blame her or the rapist?

As for your ignorant statement about liberals & rapists, that's a lie. If you haven't noticed, the people on this thread & others about this topic who do NOT blame the victim & want the rapist to be put in jail are all liberals. You & your conservative friends however are content on placing the blame on the victim instead of the criminal. Who's soft on crime here?
You did not want Bill Clinton put in prison for the rape of Juanita Brodderick --- that is very hypocritical. Very.
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Old 06-23-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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You did not want Bill Clinton put in prison for the rape of Juanita Brodderick --- that is very hypocritical. Very.
You must be thinking of someone else, sorry. But interesting that you can't answer my questions nor argue about what I said. Why? Because it's true. Glad you can admit it.
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Old 06-23-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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Which is fine -- so why not castrate them and all other rapists?
Because the courts have ruled on that also.

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The problem with our very liberal legal system is that the punishment for rapists including child rapists -- a 15 year old is certainly a child is that they will be released from prison and back into society. Then we wonder why it's dangerous for drunken 15 year old girls.

We should have a society that is safe for 15 year old girls no matter how drunken passed out they are but not by being too easy on criminals. The only thing that would help rapists live in society would be castration.
Which would not have stopped this situation and it would be punishing the guilty for something they (it?) did not do.
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Old 06-23-2013, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Okay -- so why do liberals turn around and think castration is too harsh? Let's get the rapists castrated.

Liberal society is why it's become so unsafe for young girls partying the night away, liberals actually are who makes it so easy on the criminals. The rapists in this case just like all the others will get off very light. Bill Clinton never did go to prison or suffer a single consequence for his rape of Juanita Brodderick, what lesson did that send these jocks?
I think castration is too harsh and it isn't the right punishment. Raping isn't about sex, it is about power. If the Rapist can't use penile power (assuming he is a male) he can easily replace it with another projectile or object. It doesn't solve the problem. And there is of course the risk of innocent people being castrated.

Ps. Rape existed long before liberals an conservatives. This is absolutely not a political ideology issue and I don't know why politics were brought into it. Victims blamin afflicts people of all political parties.

I am on my phone, please forgive the typos.
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Old 06-23-2013, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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if some ones says they are not guilty then they are in fact saying that the other person us wrong. and yes the victim is questioned.
And the problem with this is what, exactly?
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Old 06-23-2013, 06:06 PM
 
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I do always wonder why people pay such close attention to the personal lives of the makers of art and athletes. Like they're gods or something. Or like they're not humans with opposing personal opinions or flaws. Oh America...

This really has nothing to do with "democrats" and I'm surprised someone even connected those two remotely unrelated dots.

She plays tennis. She's good at playing tennis and she's a tennis player. What more do we need? What she said was a stupid, twisted, small-minded logic on her part. She's still a good tennis player.
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