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Old 06-23-2013, 04:00 PM
 
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Unless you believe gz dragged a dead tm around the ground as part of his devious self defense plot or reject All the eyewitnesses, we know there was a fight or struggle.
We don't know if a fight occurred. We know there was contact between Mr. Martin and Mr. Zimmerman. We know that contact lead to deadly violence committed by Mr. Zimmerman.


Beyond that the only known facts are that Mr. Zimmerman made choice after choice after choice that made the contact, that resulted in the deadly violence, occur.

 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Houston
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So that leaves the jury with Zimmerman's word that he feared for his life. His word. After all the many inconsistencies in his different statements. How does the defense get that message to the jury in a compelling manner if Zimmerman does not testify
No, you still have the injuries which are significant. The fact the injuries are not serious does not negate the fact that they demonstrate that Zimmerman was being assaulted. Florida does not require the injuries to be serious (significant), in fact you can be uninjured and use self-defense. Of course, we also have the previously mentioned juror #6.

If someone is assaulting you it is pretty reasonable to assume your life is in danger, particularly when a weapon is within the perps' reach. The fact GZ was a damn idiot to put himself in that position in the first place is also insignificant under Florida law.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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No, you still have the injuries which are significant. The fact the injuries are not serious does not negate the fact that they demonstrate that Zimmerman was being assaulted. Florida does not require the injuries to be serious (significant), in fact you can be uninjured and use self-defense. Of course, we also have the previously mentioned juror #6.

If someone is assaulting you it is pretty reasonable to assume your life is in danger, particularly when a weapon is within the perps' reach. The fact GZ was a damn idiot to put himself in that position in the first place is also insignificant under Florida law.
The injuries were not significant.

Ummm, you could run away. And as I remember gz was the one with the weapon.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The injuries were not significant.

Ummm, you could run away. And as I remember gz was the one with the weapon.
If had been able to run away the SYG defense would be used. Since he was on the ground being straddled by Martin running away was not an option.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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If had been able to run away the SYG defense would be used. Since he was on the ground being straddled by Martin running away was not an option.
It is strange that GZs clothing doesn't reflect that on the ground straddling aspect.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Desparation?
Hehe....

Must be a legal term.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: FL
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His statement that the screaming doesn't sound like him shouldn't be too damaging. Fair jurors will see it as an ad lib that's pretty common. gz just heard a voice screaming, not even normal speech, so he said what popped into his non-lawyered up head.

When the screaming stopped is more of a problem for him. Sine he claims he didn't know he shot tm, one might expect the sreaming to continue for a few seonds after the gunshot.

On gz's side is that he claimed he was yelling for help from the moment he got in the cop car. Was he clever enough to use tm's screaming as his own as part of his devious self defense scheme ?
at that time he didn't know that the screams were recorded.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Houston
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It is strange that GZs clothing doesn't reflect that on the ground straddling aspect.
A witness described it and ya don't get even insignificant injuries to the back of the head without any cause.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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A witness described it and ya don't get even insignificant injuries to the back of the head without any cause.
And yet TMs clothing does reflect his being on the ground.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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We don't know if a fight occurred. We know there was contact between Mr. Martin and Mr. Zimmerman. We know that contact lead to deadly violence committed by Mr. Zimmerman.


Beyond that the only known facts are that Mr. Zimmerman made choice after choice after choice that made the contact, that resulted in the deadly violence, occur.
Fine, all those witnesses are wrong who saw a struggle, a guy on top of another, wrestling, one guy trying to get another guy off him, a scuffle in the grass, etc.

What they should have said to be accurate was, They saw 'contact.'
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