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Old 06-24-2013, 06:41 AM
 
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First of all, you completely misunderstood the programs offered in the UK. People worked for those companies in return for a promise of a job interview. Those programs were more akin to unpaid internships, not 'working for welfare'. Additionally, companies paid taxes, so nothing about this is 'for free'.

We have also proven to you time and time again how raising minimum wage has a net negative effect on an economy. All your solution would do is drive more people towards unemployment.
It is simply not a fact that raising the minimum wage in America has a net effect on the economy. This is just not the truth.
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Old 06-24-2013, 06:43 AM
 
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Australia has a work for the dole (welfare) policy that has been in place for 15 years or so. Work for local gov, landcare groups etc but not for private companies. 5.3% unemployment here atm so it's not cutting jobs anywhere. IMHO you should have to earn a payment from the gov by working for the community that pays the tax. If you don't want to then that's fine, dont ask for the dole. Oh and all welfare recipients should be periodically drug tested and should be drug free to receive any money
Australia's unemployment is 14.3% and 20.5% for those seeking work and those seeking work + underemployed, respectively.

The hidden unemployed | The Australia Institute
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Old 06-24-2013, 06:47 AM
 
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It is simply not a fact that raising the minimum wage in America has a net effect on the economy. This is just not the truth.
Show me a shred of evidence to prove what you just said. Have you never studied deadweight loss in macroeconomics? Go ahead and read these. The first link is a youtube video that explains the math behind deadweight loss in very easy-to-understand terms



https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...vmFGbtk#at=406

The Deadweight Loss of Minimum Wage Hikes - Political Calculations - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page full

Deadweight Loss Definition | Investopedia
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Old 06-24-2013, 06:52 AM
 
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Plenty of countries do this, ie: if you are on welfare then you must work for a company for 'free' , IOW - you must earn your benefit/welfare.

Is this just exploitation of the poor?

I think it is.

Discuss.
By your thinking, the poor are all stealing. By taking money, and giving nothing in return, they are stealing.
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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By your thinking, the poor are all stealing. By taking money, and giving nothing in return, they are stealing.
I think we all understand the temporary need for help until one gets back on their feet, but many have turned the welfare system into a way of life.
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Old 06-28-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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Plenty of countries do this, ie: if you are on welfare then you must work for a company for 'free' , IOW - you must earn your benefit/welfare.

Is this just exploitation of the poor?

I think it is.

Discuss.
Bwah hah hah....so Joe works and gets a check at the end of the week and you call it working for free?

Comedic gold.
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Old 06-28-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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It is simply not a fact that raising the minimum wage in America has a net effect on the economy. This is just not the truth.
Once upon a time, a miss america contestant was reported to have said "I'd give everyone a million dollars so everyone would be rich." Did you attend the same economics program?
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Old 06-28-2013, 07:37 AM
 
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Plenty of countries do this, ie: if you are on welfare then you must work for a company for 'free' , IOW - you must earn your benefit/welfare.

Is this just exploitation of the poor?

I think it is.

Discuss.
I think it can become exploitation in the hands of right wingers. Of course, in the hands of right wingers EVERYTHING becomes exploitation.
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