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Old 06-22-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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All Obamacare does is show Obama is in the pockets of insurance companies. He made it so you either buy insurance or you get fined by the IRS. I cant believe people are so stupid and anti republican corporate whatever on the other left and dont see this. Are you blind ? All that I saw was an $80 increase in my healthcare that I cant afford to use.

If Obama cared about the people wed have nationalised healthcare and insurance with 3rd party companies would be an option like Europe but then wed have idiots on the right crying about death panels that don't exist. I mean, insurance companies never tell you they arent going to cover something do they ? :/

Obama is nothing more than elitist who is in corporate pockets, just like the president before him.

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Insurance companies didn't write Obamacare, the American Hospital Association did.
Insurance companies don't set prices hospitals do.
Insurance companies don't benefit from Obamacare, Hospitals do.

Insurance policies are expected to go up because the insurance policies now have to cover Infinity dollars of healthcare and not deny anyone and there isn't a way to price for that. The only saving grace for insurance companies is that the actual;l cost for pre existing conditions can be billed to you directly.
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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Romoney the 47%.

53% stayed home, and didn't vote.

53% of the job creators who received tax breaks for about 10 years didn't create that many jobs at all, and amassed greater wealth.

Republicans continue to alienate women and minority voters, and have no solutions to any problems and continue to repeal EPA regulations and attack women's rights.

Perfect leftist speaking points....great job showing just how the left lines up and will bleat anything...
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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Also, while those polled say they weren't hiring, they really were.
Someone clearly failed elementary math..

Just because 58,000 people got hired, this doesnt mean it wasnt done by the 59% that said they werent putting a freeze on hiring
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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Biggest scam in American history, bar none. My doctor even said that he expects one-third of all hospitals in America will eventually shut down because of this law. It's no surprise that more businesses are struggling --- and will struggle --- in implementing this stupid plan, which is only going to burden Americans, not help them.
Opinion and anecdotes now equal facts?
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:58 AM
 
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Opinion and anecdotes now equal facts?
Please tell us what effects you think lowering the reinbursement rates for procedures will have..
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Insurance companies didn't write Obamacare, the American Hospital Association did.
Insurance companies don't set prices hospitals do.
Insurance companies don't benefit from Obamacare, Hospitals do.

Insurance policies are expected to go up because the insurance policies now have to cover Infinity dollars of healthcare and not deny anyone and there isn't a way to price for that. The only saving grace for insurance companies is that the actual;l cost for pre existing conditions can be billed to you directly.
Claiming that Obamacare will cause soaring insurance rates is completely fraudulent. If we look at actual insurance rates, they are lower than expected. In the first test case, California, this is the reality:

Obamacare in California: No sticker shock here | New Republic
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Based on the premiums that insurers have submitted for final regulatory approval, the majority of Californians buying coverage on the state's new insurance exchange will be paying less—in many cases, far less—than they would pay for equivalent coverage today. And while a minority will still end up writing bigger premium checks than they do now, even they won't be paying outrageous amounts. Meanwhile, all of these consumers will have access to the kind of comprehensive benefits that are frequently unavaiable today, at any price, because of the way insurers try to avoid the old and the sick.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:14 AM
 
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Claiming that Obamacare will cause soaring insurance rates is completely fraudulent. If we look at actual insurance rates, they are lower than expected. In the first test case, California, this is the reality:

Obamacare in California: No sticker shock here | New Republic
Study Predicts 30% Premium Increase For Some Californians Who Buy Their Own Insurance - Kaiser Health News

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Old 06-22-2013, 08:15 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Insurance companies didn't write Obamacare, the American Hospital Association did.
Insurance companies don't set prices hospitals do.
Insurance companies don't benefit from Obamacare, Hospitals do.

Insurance policies are expected to go up because the insurance policies now have to cover Infinity dollars of healthcare and not deny anyone and there isn't a way to price for that. The only saving grace for insurance companies is that the actual;l cost for pre existing conditions can be billed to you directly.
Hospitals will do what they have done in the past. Have a high billing price, accept assignment from the insurance companies and write-off the difference. The written off difference is treated as a loss on their corporate taxes. In my area of the state we've had little population growth. Yet we've had two medical parks open up and two more hospitals pop up within the last few years. Its a great convenience to actually walk into a doctors office and see a doctor at the appointed time.

The cost of Insurance policies have already gone up. The initial out-of-pocket deductibles have been raised. Once one gets past the initial out-of-pocket deductible, then the expenses afterwards dramatically drop. And the copayments have gone down. There is a certain test I have done twice a year due to my overseas work. Last year my co-pay was around $33. This year it has been around $5. I have another one that was 26.40 last year and is 1.40 this year.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:31 AM
 
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The key words are Californians who are buying their own insurance. The dead weights could care less.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Those were predictions made in March. I was quoting actuals from May. Actuals are always more reliable than predictions.

California Obamacare premiums: No ‘rate shock’ here

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California Obamacare premiums: No ‘rate shock’ here

By Sarah Kliff, Published: May 23, 2013 at 2:29 pm

Health insurers will charge 25-year-olds between $142 and $190 per month for a bare-bones health plan in Los Angeles.

A 40-year-old in San Francisco who wants a top-of-the-line plan would receive a bill between $451 and $525. Downgrade to a less robust option, and premiums fall as low as $221.

These premium rates, released Thursday, help answer one of the biggest questions about Obamacare: How much health insurance will cost. They do so in California, the state with 7.1 million uninsured residents, more than any other place in the country.

Multiple projections expected premiums to be relatively high.

The Congressional Budget Office predicted back in November 2009 that a medium-cost plan on the health exchange – known as a “silver plan” – would have an annual premium of $5,200. A separate report from actuarial firm Milliman projected that, in California, the average silver plan would have a $450 monthly premium.

Now we have California’s rates, and they appear to be significantly less expensive than what forecasters expected.
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