Men are disappearing from the workforce

[lycos679]

Originally Posted by freemkt

How much of that is specific to labor policy and how much is a result of 'other' liberal policies like taxes and regulation?

There is more to it than just one aspect. Most of the unionized states have a higher cost of living and the people get paid more than the RTW states. As a result, it's understandable that RTW states show faster wage and job growth. They are starting at a lower point after all.

Regulations do matter though, Carl's Jr. left (or is leaving) CA for TX and these are corporate level jobs. NY decided they did not want an energy presence so the drilling jobs went to Pa instead of PA and NY.

[mwruckman]

Originally Posted by lycos679

Illegal immigrants won't be taking or competing for high paying jobs.

Americans have a very distorted view of immigrants especially in rece3nt times. over half of the undocumented are bright college trained Indians, Chinese, Africans and Filipinos. Over half of the advanced degrees given today in mathematics, electonis, computer science physics and chemistry are given to such people so just how much sense does it make to force these people to get in a widebody jet and go take their knowlede and skills back to China, India or anyother place that values technology and science. The usual sterotype of a an illegal as a poor but hardworking Mexican or CentroAmerican is not even true anymore Mexico is doing quite well economically and has a growth rate of about 6% and the nation as a whole is the wealthest nation in Latin America just edging out Brazil, Mexico is graduating about twice as many STEM graduate as it needs and Mexican Universities like UNAM is on a par with our best. One of the UNAM graduates is the Director of one of the 16 Natioanal Institutes of Health. Recent advances in Mexicos economy and nation is slowing the the flow of unskilled workers into this country to a trickle just like or peer nation Canada. You don't see people coming from the Great White North to take our jobs because it make more sense to work in a place you know and are familiar.

[lycos679]

Originally Posted by mwruckman

Americans have a very distorted view of immigrants especially in rece3nt times. over half of the undocumented are bright college trained Indians, Chinese, Africans and Filipinos. Over half of the advanced degrees given today in mathematics, electonis, computer science physics and chemistry are given to such people so just how much sense does it make to force these people to get in a widebody jet and go take their knowlede and skills back to China, India or anyother place that values technology and science. The usual sterotype of a an illegal as a poor but hardworking Mexican or CentroAmerican is not even true anymore Mexico is doing quite well economically and has a growth rate of about 6% and the nation as a whole is the wealthest nation in Latin America just edging out Brazil, Mexico is graduating about twice as many STEM graduate as it needs and Mexican Universities like UNAM is on a par with our best. One of the UNAM graduates is the Director of one of the 16 Natioanal Institutes of Health. Recent advances in Mexicos economy and nation is slowing the the flow of unskilled workers into this country to a trickle just like or peer nation Canada. You don't see people coming from the Great White North to take our jobs because it make more sense to work in a place you know and are familiar.

That isn't remotely true at all. While many of the illegal are not from Mexico, IIRC, about half are and the bulk of the rest are from S. America. Illegal immigrants do not tend to even have HS diplomas, so I have no idea where you are getting that idea. There are less illegal immigrants coming into the USA, but that is because of the slump in construction not because Mexico decided to give jobs to their uneducated.

Most of my classes are actually filled with immigrants or kids of immigrant and some of them will have to leave once their degree is finished, but they aren't going to be fixing your roof or cleaning your house if they can't stay. There's no reason to spend $80K on an intensive math program and then go do manual labor when they can go to another country.

Here are the salaries from China in USD:

Engineering supervisor`````````` 25,000 – 42,000
General manager``````````````` 130,000 – 330,000
R&D director``````````````````` 100,000 – 167,000
Procurement director````````````` 67,000 – 150,000
Quality director`````````````````` 67,000 – 150,000
Chief technology officer``````````` 167,000 – 330,000
Marketing director``````````````` 100,000 – 130,000
PR/communications manage````````` 34,000 – 67,000
Regional sales manager```````````` 67,000 – 100,000
Source: Hays 2012 Salary Guide – Asia

Hong Kong salaries are even better; my friend is from Lebanon and she is looking to go to HK if she can't stay here. Yet, if she was uneducated cleaning houses she would get a pass under to proposed immigration bill.