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Old 06-25-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If Obama said he loves coal, you and others would agree with him. You only hate coal because you've been told to hate coal by Plantation Democrats.
Ah yes, I hate coal because Obama hates coal do you always do what your party tells you? I guess you love coal because your party tells you that you must love coal. Anyone who has any education on coal knows that a conventional coal power plant is a heavy polluters and there are better ways to get power from coal that through conventional plants.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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we have alternate methods we just refuse to spend money to improve them.

We subsidize oil and coal thousanda of times more than solar or wind. Obviously we cant just flip a switch, but we have to start taking it seriously at some point.
Oh for gods sakes we do not. We allow oil and coal companies to KEEP their own money, (Democrats called the ability to write off employees as an expense as a subsidy, which is complete garbage because ALL businesses do that). Allowing people to keep money they have isnt a dam subsidy..

Compare this to the federal government GIVING companies money directly for alternative energy..
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:07 AM
 
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we have alternate methods we just refuse to spend money to improve them.


We subsidize oil and coal thousanda of times more than solar or wind. Obviously we cant just flip a switch, but we have to start taking it seriously at some point.
What alternate methods would those be? Let's be realistic, we would need a reliable, dependable and long term source, in order for it to be a direct replacement of coal. Keep in mind, the lunatic fringe that is now mainstream in our government, will not agree to any energy source that produces CO2, which leaves out natural gas.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:07 AM
 
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The article didn't say anything about shutting down the coal industry, it said we need to shut down conventional coal power plants because they are heavy polluters and inefficient. Newer coal power plants have much better technology to reduce the pollution they put out....though it is impossible to not have a coal plant polluting.
Coal power plants have been retrofitting for decades to cut down on pollution, at their own expense...
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:12 AM
 
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The link doesn't really say much other than that we do need to shut down old conventional coal plants, though it didn't mention anything about replacing of the power. I will wait until I hear about the detailed plan for replacing our power source, but it is about time that we really make this change. A number of states have already moved to better sources of energy, it is time for the rest of the country to follow that lead.
Have you listened to Obama's interview in 2008, by the San Francisco Chronicle, where he says his energy plan would cause electricity rates to skyrocket, because he would force coal power plants to increase their rates to consumers, and eventually bankrupt coal?
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:13 AM
 
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Seems the underpants gnomes are in charge of our government's energy policies:

Step 1: Eliminate coal and fossil fuels
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Clean energy independence!

Green energy, in its current form, cannot replace coal as an energy source. Shutting down coal plants will cause the price of electricity to skyrocket and regressively hurt American families. Nuclear is the best option we currently have to transition into future energy technologies, but eco-nuts have spread so much fear and misinformation about nuclear that everyone is afraid to build new reactors.

One of the first things Obama did was to shut down Yucca mountain, the best option we've ever had to store spent nuclear fuel. Since then, 1 in 5 states have banned building any new nuclear reactors until a permanent storage solution is developed, which is obviously not in this administration's plans. After all, look how tightly our current leaders are tied into green energy companies. They're making millions off this pipe dream while acting like they're doing it out of concern for our environment. Look at Al Gore, who's wealth has increased 50 times over what he was worth when he left office.

As our country grows and we start putting more and more electric cars on the road, our energy requirements are going to continue to increase. Solar panels and windmills will only ever be supplements to our primary energy sources. Liberals all want us to emulate Europe -- so why don't we look to France as an example, who gets almost 80% of its electricity from nuclear power plants?
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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The article didn't say anything about shutting down the coal industry, it said we need to shut down conventional coal power plants because they are heavy polluters and inefficient. Newer coal power plants have much better technology to reduce the pollution they put out....though it is impossible to not have a coal plant polluting.
Obama's EPA has already forced coal mining companies to close.

Coal Company Closes Eight Mines

Coal Exec Blames Obama As He Lays Off Miners | Mother Jones

Political blame game plays out after Ohio coal mine operation shuts down - CNN.com
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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Seems the underpants gnomes are in charge of our government's energy policies:

Step 1: Eliminate coal and fossil fuels
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Clean energy independence!

Green energy, in its current form, cannot replace coal as an energy source. Shutting down coal plants will cause the price of electricity to skyrocket and regressively hurt American families. Nuclear is the best option we currently have to transition into future energy technologies, but eco-nuts have spread so much fear and misinformation about nuclear that everyone is afraid to build new reactors.

One of the first things Obama did was to shut down Yucca mountain, the best option we've ever had to store spent nuclear fuel. Since then, 1 in 5 states have banned building any new nuclear reactors until a permanent storage solution is developed, which is obviously not in this administration's plans. After all, look how tightly our current leaders are tied into green energy companies. They're making millions off this pipe dream while acting like they're doing it out of concern for our environment. Look at Al Gore, who's wealth has increased 50 times over what he was worth when he left office.

As our country grows and we start putting more and more electric cars on the road, our energy requirements are going to continue to increase. Solar panels and windmills will only ever be supplements to our primary energy sources. Liberals all want us to emulate Europe -- so why don't we look to France as an example, who gets almost 80% of its electricity from nuclear power plants?
It's like a bunch of idiots who have never held a wrench, but want to build the perfect green automobile. They are busy buying car seats, a car stereo some CDs, and putting on their Oakleys, and hoping someone will magically come along with an engine and the rest of the pieces and parts.

You are right, they no what they want to destroy, coal, and they know what their Utopian end game is, but have not clue as to how to get there.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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This statement is coming from a White House advisor: 'A War on Coal Is Exactly What’s Needed'

It's also pretty much the same thing our Energy Secretary said: 'Coal is my worst nightmare'

WH Climate Adviser: 'A War on Coal Is Exactly What

“Everybody is waiting for action,” Schrag tells the paper. “The one thing the president really needs to do now is to begin the process of shutting down the conventional coal plants. Politically, the White House is hesitant to say they’re having a war on coal. On the other hand, a war on coal is exactly what’s needed.”

How can we shut down coal power without replacing it, and not run into serious energy problem, and drastically increasing the cost of our electric bills? Heavy users of electricity like manufacturing plants, and every other business for that matter, will be forced to pass these increased energy costs onto consumers.

Wind and solar cannot replace coal-fired power, so it's like and animal rights enthusiast in the White House, demanding we get rid of horses in the 1800s, without thinking it through, and finding an alternative method of transportation first.

A war is sure needed, I wouldn't say coal is a good choice though.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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It's like a bunch of idiots who have never held a wrench, but want to build the perfect green automobile. They are busy buying car seats, a car stereo some CDs, and putting on their Oakleys, and hoping someone will magically come along with an engine and the rest of the pieces and parts.

You are right, they no what they want to destroy, coal, and they know what their Utopian end game is, but have not clue as to how to get there.
Well, if we just all hold hands and wish it to be true, it sure will be! I mean, isn't that how science works? We all just agree that it is true and it makes it so?
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