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Old 06-26-2013, 06:35 AM
 
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The government is only as good as the loyalty of those within it. The only way we can get abused by the monitoring system is if abusive people take control of the monitoring system. Same thing applies to the police and military.

Either way, both the government, the police, and the espionage departments have grown more powerful since the writing of the constitution. For how much longer can we expect the system to stay honest and not corrupted?
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I trust the moles working there.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I trust them as much as I trust any other American.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:11 AM
 
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The government is only as good as the loyalty of those within it. The only way we can get abused by the monitoring system is if abusive people take control of the monitoring system. Same thing applies to the police and military.

Either way, both the government, the police, and the espionage departments have grown more powerful since the writing of the constitution. For how much longer can we expect the system to stay honest and not corrupted?
Quit pretending o.p. , the system was never honest
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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I work with public employees who believe that government should be shackled and that it should be treated with skepticism.

The OP's assumption that anyone who works for government is knowingly and willingly complicit in its actions is way too simple.

I'm sure he/she knows that the motivations of people are much, much more nuanced.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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Quit pretending o.p. , the system was never honest
Well, uh, it seemed to be honest before, uh, the usage of the US census to round up Japanese-Americans in ww2.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I work with public employees who believe that government should be shackled and that it should be treated with skepticism.

The OP's assumption that anyone who works for government is knowingly and willingly complicit in its actions is way too simple.

I'm sure he/she knows that the motivations of people are much, much more nuanced.
The motivations are often based on a level of prosecution. Getting "the bad guy" is center stage, even if they don't have a legitimate bad guy to get.

Examples include using NSA information to blackmail for legislative votes or judicial decisions. "Hey, we noticed that you were calling a girl that isn't your wife an awful lot, oh and we have some saucy e-mails between you two. Be a shame if your wife found out about them (from a third party journalist of course). Now, about that controversial immigration bill..."
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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The motivations are often based on a level of prosecution. Getting "the bad guy" is center stage, even if they don't have a legitimate bad guy to get.

Examples include using NSA information to blackmail for legislative votes or judicial decisions. "Hey, we noticed that you were calling a girl that isn't your wife an awful lot, oh and we have some saucy e-mails between you two. Be a shame if your wife found out about them (from a third party journalist of course). Now, about that controversial immigration bill..."

Public employees work for their employer just like everyone else. Paycheck, perks, or benefits. Maybe it is that simple.



To get the bad guy?? Not even close.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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I trust them as much as I trust any other American.

You trust them as much as you trust your spouse?
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You trust them as much as you trust your spouse?
No, I trust my spouse and family much more than I trust Americans. If I don't know you personally, my trust in you is moderately low.
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