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The Keystone pipeline is just a way to provide feedstock for a bunch of antique polluting Texas refineries that should have been scrapped decades ago. The products were never intended to be used in the US but sold overseas (China) at great profit to the owners and great risk to the people along the route. As proposed this is just another petroleum industry scam.
I think it makes more sense to leave the tar sands petroleum in the ground for the benefit of future generations when it will have become far more valuable as chemical feedstock than as fuel.
The Keystone pipeline is just a way to provide feedstock for a bunch of antique polluting Texas refineries that should have been scrapped decades ago. The products were never intended to be used in the US but sold overseas (China) at great profit to the owners and great risk to the people along the route. As proposed this is just another petroleum industry scam.
I think it makes more sense to leave the tar sands petroleum in the ground for the benefit of future generations when it will have become far more valuable as chemical feedstock than as fuel.
You must be exhausted from riding your bicycle everywhere
Far From D.C., Michigan Residents Fight Their Own Tar Sands Pipeline Battles
Michigan residents are worried about a massive tar sands oil spill that persists in their backyards.
Thousands of people along the Kalamazoo River are still dealing with a record tar sands oil pipeline accident that closed 40 miles of their river, with no end in sight. Residents say it forced people to move, hurt their businesses and continues to threaten their health. Some say they will never let their kids swim in the river again. And they worry that future pipeline company plans to expand tar sands oil operations in the area may endanger their lives even more. Rocky Kistner: Far From D.C., Michigan Residents Fight Their Own Tar Sands Pipeline Battles
Deep In Canadian Lakes, Signs Of Tar Sands Pollution Canadian researchers have used the mud at the bottom of lakes like a time machine to show that tar sands oil production in Alberta, Canada, is polluting remote regional lakes as far as 50 miles from the operations.
[url=http://www.npr.org/2013/01/08/168887788/deep-in-canadian-lakes-signs-of-tar-sands-pollution]Deep In Canadian Lakes, Signs Of Tar Sands Pollution : NPR[/url]
Oil Sands May Irrevocably Tar the Climate
The mines, with their vast lakes of toxic water residue and blocks of bright yellow elemental sulfur, are already big enough to see from space—an industrial patch steadily spreading in the boreal forest.
At Christina Lake, engineers inject roughly two barrels of steam to pump back out one barrel of bitumen. All that steam—and the natural gas burned to heat it—means melting bitumen results in two and a half times more greenhouse gas pollution than surface mining, itself among the highest emitters for any kind of oil production. Oil Sands May Irrevocably Tar the Climate: Scientific American
Sorry Cons but I choose to leave a world where my children can drink the water and breath the air as a more important consideration than me just having a job.
Adddressing only this part of your post: The tar sands were called that and many other things for a reason. The surface bitumen was leaching naturally without any man made help into lakes and rivers for eons before any attempts were made to extract it. I find it (and so do many reputable scientists) difficult to understand the methodology that can identify the bitumen that has been in those lakes for eons and the bitumen that is now being claimed to be there due to any extraction process.
Simply walking across parts of the tar sands yielded eddys of oil swirls in your wake of passage over areas of shallow water. Hunting the area prior to attempts at extraction mean't you carried your water supply with you and you left your gear in the garage for later cleaning of boots etc., that stank from the tar. Having done nothing at all to the area; whoever bothered to take samples would have found bitumen in the ground water, lakes and local streams hundreds of years before this and after.
Adddressing only this part of your post: The tar sands were called that and many other things for a reason. The surface bitumen was leaching naturally without any man made help into lakes and rivers for eons before any attempts were made to extract it. I find it (and so do many reputable scientists) difficult to understand the methodology that can identify the bitumen that has been in those lakes for eons and the bitumen that is now being claimed to be there due to any extraction process.
Simply walking across parts of the tar sands yielded eddys of oil swirls in your wake of passage over areas of shallow water. Hunting the area prior to attempts at extraction mean't you carried your water supply with you and you left your gear in the garage for later cleaning of boots etc., that stank from the tar. Having done nothing at all to the area; whoever bothered to take samples would have found bitumen in the ground water, lakes and local streams hundreds of years before this and after.
Then you miss the most important part of the whole equation, the amount of "naturally occurring" bitumen in the ecosystem versus the artificial and destructive process of going underground and destroying the environement while extracting and processing it.
My body can survive a seasonal flu virus, it can't survive AIDS. The Earth is a body with a complex set of environements. Destroy it and the planet dies slowly.
Not quite true. The planet survives and we die slowly. The planet did just fine, with a couple of interruptions, for a couple of billion years before we were here and will do quite fine if we disappear.
I do quite well on my gasoline burning bicycle thank you. The point is this oil is not destined to provide fuel for the US but to be sold elsewhere.
President Barack Obama said Tuesday that the Keystone XL pipeline would not be built if it created more carbon pollution. “Allowing the Keystone pipeline to be built requires finding that doing so would be in our nation’s interest, and our national interest will be served only if this project does not significantly exacerbate the problem of carbon pollution,” the president said. “The net effect of the pipeline’s impact on our climate will be absolutely critical to determining whether this project is allowed to go forward."
We will burn the same exact amount of carbon, whether it comes from the Keystone pipeline or Saudi oil, Obama is an idiot.
Not to mention that that energy will be used elsewhere.
Obama's flock of ignorant sycophants think that if we don't produce oil in the US, that it will prevent more CO2 from going into the environment.
The American people will still burn the same exact amount of oil. Just because the oil we buy comes from overseas does not mean less CO2 will be created, more will end up being created. The oil used in ships and trucks and trains, to move it around from Saudi Arabia, China or wherever it is we are forced to import it from, will be a net gain in CO2.
It is sad.
I wish his voters had more information or intelligence to see how false his argument is.
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Originally Posted by MOS0311
Far From D.C., Michigan Residents Fight Their Own Tar Sands Pipeline Battles
Michigan residents are worried about a massive tar sands oil spill that persists in their backyards.
Thousands of people along the Kalamazoo River are still dealing with a record tar sands oil pipeline accident that closed 40 miles of their river, with no end in sight. Residents say it forced people to move, hurt their businesses and continues to threaten their health. Some say they will never let their kids swim in the river again. And they worry that future pipeline company plans to expand tar sands oil operations in the area may endanger their lives even more. Rocky Kistner: Far From D.C., Michigan Residents Fight Their Own Tar Sands Pipeline Battles
Deep In Canadian Lakes, Signs Of Tar Sands Pollution
Canadian researchers have used the mud at the bottom of lakes like a time machine to show that tar sands oil production in Alberta, Canada, is polluting remote regional lakes as far as 50 miles from the operations. Deep In Canadian Lakes, Signs Of Tar Sands Pollution : NPR
Oil Sands May Irrevocably Tar the Climate
The mines, with their vast lakes of toxic water residue and blocks of bright yellow elemental sulfur, are already big enough to see from space—an industrial patch steadily spreading in the boreal forest.
At Christina Lake, engineers inject roughly two barrels of steam to pump back out one barrel of bitumen. All that steam—and the natural gas burned to heat it—means melting bitumen results in two and a half times more greenhouse gas pollution than surface mining, itself among the highest emitters for any kind of oil production. Oil Sands May Irrevocably Tar the Climate: Scientific American
Sorry Cons but I choose to leave a world where my children can drink the water and breath the air as a more important consideration than me just having a job.
Oil spills happen. We work to prevent them.
Highway car crashes happen. Should we ban highways or block new highways?
If we move the oil by rail - trains crash and get derailed.
If we move the oil by big rig trucks - well back to highway crashes.
The fact that you are overlooking is that the oil will travel further if China gets it and the oil will travel further under a country with less safety regulations. Once again, Canada has already decided to get the oil and sell it to the USA or China. If you truly cared about preventing oil spills you would want the pipeline built.
Does anyone realize petroleum is the reason you live like you do?
It preserves your food,in medicine you take,the clothes you wear,the CDs you play the very keyboards on your computer.Big Oil is here to stay like it or not....
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