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Old 12-06-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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Mandela a terrorist?

When 10% of the people, who are immigrants, rule over 90% of the people, who are natives, and treat them like garbage, the system is hardly just. Destroying that injustice is the the very essence of patriotism. These facts are so obvious, it is a bit embarrassing to point them out.

But what makes Mandela so great is not what he did to seize power from a morally corrupt minority, but what he did once he had done so. Mandela's crown achievement was to work towards creating a society for all S. Africans, black, white, native or immigrant. And, of course, to forgive folks who did not deserve it.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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And look how poorly liberals behaved after Margaret Thatcher's death -- and that is a country with a lot closer ties to the USA than South Africa.
If you can't understand why Mandela is a hero to millions of people then I can't help you. Seriously, it should be as obvious as the nose on your face. Why are you so disrespectful?
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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They weren't protesting Mandela because they are heartland Americans -- their protests had to do with their own cultural attitudes and ties.

Did a group of long-time patriotic Americans ever protest a Mandela visit? Did some Miami Cubans? Yes, but for reasons of their own.
Cuban Americans are long time patriotic Americans, aren't they?

But to your other point...fair enough. However, the conservative position was always unofficially anti-Mandela when he was in jail.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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Mandela a terrorist?

When 10% of the people, who are immigrants, rule over 90% of the people, who are natives, and treat them like garbage, the system is hardly just. Destroying that injustice is the the very essence of patriotism. These facts are so obvious, it is a bit embarrassing to point them out.

But what makes Mandela so great is not what he did to seize power from a morally corrupt minority, but what he did once he had done so. Mandela's crown achievement was to work towards creating a society for all S. Africans, black, white, native or immigrant. And, of course, to forgive folks who did not deserve it.
Absolutely. They certainly DID NOT deserve it and wouldn't have been nearly as magnanimous had the shoe been on the other foot.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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Poor response? He's a leader of another country is all --- we don't worship the president of Spain or Italy, there is nothing special about South Africa. It's more ho-hum I think of a response.

Really why is the death of Mandela such a big deal? He was quite old for one, sick for a long time, his days were over. Just like Hugo Chavez and soon Fidel Castro.
this is the problem. you are minimizing the global impact he had. if he was just another leader in a country you would not see this type of global reaction.

im not going to say you are intentionally doing so, but many white conservatives purposely do this because they do not believe a black man deserves this type of reaction.

i brought up white conservatives and them minimizing MLK this past summer with the 50th anniversary, and they are doing the same thing now with mandela.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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Miami isn't Americans. That was the Cuban people protesting him --- not Americans but they may have US citizenship.
They were Americans from the Republican party.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Which one of his policies do you consider the most communist?
Nothing? You know a man by his actions, but Mandela did not promote communist policies, at least none that I am aware of. If you know of such policies, could you list the most communist ones, so we can discuss. On the contrary he made sure there would be no forced confication of private property from the whites. A communist would have made such confiscation was a high priority.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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They were Americans from the Republican party.
Just like that Mal took away their citizenship. LMAO
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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Mandela a terrorist?

When 10% of the people, who are immigrants, rule over 90% of the people, who are natives, and treat them like garbage, the system is hardly just. Destroying that injustice is the the very essence of patriotism. These facts are so obvious, it is a bit embarrassing to point them out.
When you support violent overthrow of the government, you are a terrorist. It's not a value judgment against Mandela, it's just telling it like it is. George Washington was also a terrorist. The Boston Tea Party was a terrorist attack. That's where the phrase "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" comes from. Two words for the same thing, just with different connotations.

If someone fomented armed revolution in America, I am pretty certain all the people hailing Mandela as a hero would be happy to see that person jailed just like Mandela was. You'll call Mandela a hero on this thread and then go to another thread and talk about those violent extremist gun nuts in the militias here in America.
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But what makes Mandela so great is not what he did to seize power from a morally corrupt minority, but what he did once he had done so. Mandela's crown achievement was to work towards creating a society for all S. Africans, black, white, native or immigrant. And, of course, to forgive folks who did not deserve it.
But what makes Mandela no so great is that he instituted socialist policies that brought decline to his country. While liberals have no problems pointing out that Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, when it comes to their own heroes they want to sweep all the bad stuff under the rug.

It's not saying Mandela wasn't a great man. He was a towering giant in human rights, no question. Just saying that nobody is all good. Mandela had faults.
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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Just like that Mal took away their citizenship. LMAO
No --- I said they have US citizenship.

Language, culture and everything else is Cuban however.
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