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Old 06-26-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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California man faces 13 years in jail for scribbling anti-bank messages in chalk ? RT USA

You do not have the freedom to critisize or make political statements against banks.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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George Bernard Shaw was right:
“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging conceptions and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently the first condition of progress is the removal of censorships. There is the whole case against censorship in a nutshell.”
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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He's charged with 13 counts of vandalism.

Get back to me when we actually gets 13 consecutive years.

Free speech has nothing to do with it.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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My ancestors got in trouble for writing on the pyramids, "P huck the Pharaoh."
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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What he did false under vandalism, I can imagine he would be found guilty for that, but the judge should fine him the cost to clean off the sidewalk and nothing more. The guy used washable chalk, so the bank is overreacting over the issue that could of been solved with a hose.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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That is the possibility he faces at the absolute maximum if convicted. He has just been charged, not been convicted and he has not been sentenced, for 13 counts of vandalism (if consecutive). He did commit vandalism by his own admission and they decided to press charges.

If someone presses charges they need to start the process, that’s life in a system of laws, and those that start the process don’t take into account anything besides if the evidence supports the claim to go forward. That is for the judge on the case to determine.

To be honest free speech doesn't cover vandalism. No where in the amendment does it say your speech includes defacing private property and causing the property holder to pay to get it cleaned/repaired. Don’t do the crime if you aren’t willing to do the time.

Water soluble chalk is not really vandalism, and I doubt very much a jury will think so either. Some nasty neighbor of mine tried it with some kids and it was gone pretty quick
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:17 PM
 
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It is an act of vandalism but hardly anything about 1st amendment rights... make him pay $6000 (the cost to clean it up) and court fees and be done with it...
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: texas
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California man faces 13 years in jail for scribbling anti-bank messages in chalk ? RT USA

You do not have the freedom to critisize or make political statements against banks.
Faces and was convicted are two different realities.

Once a judgement is rendered, there is always appeal.

Assigning outrage before an outcome is a waste of time.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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It is an act of vandalism but hardly anything about 1st amendment rights... make him pay $6000 (the cost to clean it up) and court fees and be done with it...
He should certainly pay for cleanup, but the amount they are asking seems a bit much for a guy and a hose.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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It is an act of vandalism but hardly anything about 1st amendment rights... make him pay $6000 (the cost to clean it up) and court fees and be done with it...
I agree, but I don't buy that number for a second.
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