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Old 06-27-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Earth
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You're calling Pope Francis an ignorant bigot and the Muslims you aliagn yourself with to destroy the once prevailing values of the Christian West as not ignorant bigots?
Yes, absolutely.

 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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And now you will see how you have just lied, maybe unknowingly, but still...

A Self-Styled 'Gay Revolutionary' Offers a Challenge to Straight America:

"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, ...wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our holy gods are handsome young men. ...We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed..."

Michael Swift - Boston Gay Community News - February 15-21, 1987
As a matter of fact, this passage is a well known satire, an intentional, outrageous joke on the part of the writer, and that fact is part of the public record.

26 years later and anti-gay extremists continue to relish reading it aloud to incite hatred towards gays and lesbians.

Homosexual agenda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Old 06-27-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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I agree with much of what you've mentioned here and I appreciate how you've expressed multiple perspectives and are thereby are in a better position to see potential consequences. It seems rare that one is able to show true compassion and understanding of people, while acknowledging potential harms of behavior or inappropriate legal action.

Ultimately, people are people - we all have weaknesses, but we shouldn't be getting rights based on them. We should try to "make weaknesses strong."

As you've implied, if homosexual fetishes are enough to justify legal rights, that paves the way for other fetish rights, which would be dangerous for many, especially those most vulnerable (children).
Thank you, Super.

My view comes in part from my own life experiences and watching the world change around me as well. But also from reading history and seeing certain trends.

It's been said, and I think with justification, "Today's conservative is last years liberal."

I incurred the hatred of many conservative Catholics on an online discussion board when I told them I foresee the hierarchy of the Catholic Church reconciling with gay marriage the way it reconciles with Muslim polygynous marriages. That is... the Popes and Bishops will eventually see and state their are goods within gay marriages, such as the love and loyalty between two gay persons authentically in love. But the Church will still teach such marriages are wrong. That monogamous heterosexual marriages are what Christ taught. So, I said I taught it was wasted energy for the Church to battle against something they are only going to reconcile with decades down the line.

Lay Catholics I foresee embracing gay marriage. Especially Catholic women.

Protestantism as usual will always fall one church by the next. In teaching.

I expect to see this if and when liberals begin pushing for the decriminalization of pedophilia (they won't push for marriage equality for pedophiles and their prepubescent brides and grooms right away, in politics and changing laws you usually chip away gradually).

When liberals start pushing for marriage equality laws for pedophiles look for them to use the same tactics they have with homosexuality. The media being flooded with stories of love. Emotional music being composed to persuade people. And the term "science" will be flung around. Indeed, scientific papers composed will accept their hypothesis that their is a genetic cause to pedophilia. Papers rejecting such hypotheses es will be called "quack."

The prepubescent children involved romantically and sexually with adults will be presented as extremely mature for their age.

And one by one Protestant Churches will begin to fall and explain it as "love." The Catholic Church now reconciled with gay marriage will launch political lobbying against pedophile marriages. But the teaching of the Catholic Church will follow the same route it has taken with homosexuality. It will speak charitably in a patronizing way about pedophiles and tell them their cross in life is to be celibate.

Republicans and conservative will say, "Gay marriage is good and healthy, but pedophile marriage is sick!"

Catholic women (in younger ages) in large numbers I foresee siding with the pedophile equal marriage act when it comes about. They will view all opposition to it as "patriarchy."
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Yes, absolutely.
And I would also add that the Cardinal and Bishop are also bigots, the entire catholic church are hipocrites. They ignored and protected pedophiles and let them keep doing their crime and expect everyone to think they are the bastions of morality. They have an agenda to spread a message of hate and lies about gays, they even have their own brainwashed scientists that refuse to recognize ligitimate evidence that we did not choose to be gay, even the Mormon church has admitted their error in saying it was a choice.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Thank you, Super.

My view comes in part from my own life experiences and watching the world change around me as well. But also from reading history and seeing certain trends.

It's been said, and I think with justification, "Today's conservative is last years liberal."

I incurred the hatred of many conservative Catholics on an online discussion board when I told them I foresee the hierarchy of the Catholic Church reconciling with gay marriage the way it reconciles with Muslim polygynous marriages. That is... the Popes and Bishops will eventually see and state their are goods within gay marriages, such as the love and loyalty between two gay persons authentically in love. But the Church will still teach such marriages are wrong. That monogamous heterosexual marriages are what Christ taught. So, I said I taught it was wasted energy for the Church to battle against something they are only going to reconcile with decades down the line.

Lay Catholics I foresee embracing gay marriage. Especially Catholic women.

Protestantism as usual will always fall one church by the next. In teaching.

I expect to see this if and when liberals begin pushing for the decriminalization of pedophilia (they won't push for marriage equality for pedophiles and their prepubescent brides and grooms right away, in politics and changing laws you usually chip away gradually).

When liberals start pushing for marriage equality laws for pedophiles look for them to use the same tactics they have with homosexuality. The media being flooded with stories of love. Emotional music being composed to persuade people. And the term "science" will be flung around. Indeed, scientific papers composed will accept their hypothesis that their is a genetic cause to pedophilia. Papers rejecting such hypotheses es will be called "quack."

The prepubescent children involved romantically and sexually with adults will be presented as extremely mature for their age.

And one by one Protestant Churches will begin to fall and explain it as "love." The Catholic Church now reconciled with gay marriage will launch political lobbying against pedophile marriages. But the teaching of the Catholic Church will follow the same route it has taken with homosexuality. It will speak charitably in a patronizing way about pedophiles and tell them their cross in life is to be celibate.

Republicans and conservative will say, "Gay marriage is good and healthy, but pedophile marriage is sick!"

Catholic women (in younger ages) in large numbers I foresee siding with the pedophile equal marriage act when it comes about. They will view all opposition to it as "patriarchy."
The only ones bringing up pedophelia becoming legal are the christians claiming it is the agenda of gays. Baloney and another strawman used to justify hating us and discriminating against us. Just so you know, most pedophiles are adult men who have no interest in adult men, just prepubescent boys and girls. It is sick to equate gays with pedophiles just so your agenda of hate can go on.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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I also received a 4 ft glossy poster of the Village People as a guide to stereotypical dress for informal occasions.

Thus far, none of it has worked. I am still straight. I am slowly starting to believe that, just perhaps, sexual orientation is a trait. Surely, that can't be, can it?

It's so confusing. The "normal," straight, anti-gays don't have a clear message. Accordingly,

1.) you are taught to be gay.
2.) you are infected by homosexuality if you are around gays.
3.) homosexuality is a mental illness.
4.) gays are just living out a sexual fetish.
5.) homosexuality is a choice.
6.) you are brainwashed by liberal public schools to become gay.

I find this utterly confusing, given that gay people always tell me that they were "just born this way."
Homosexuality is a disorder which has both genetic and environmental causes. Just like bipolar disorder, etc.

Some disorders are considered normal in some cultures.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Is anyone threatening to attack you physically or throw you in jail if you don't?
No, but if you don't, you are known as a "homophobe" and "bigot."
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Your insinuation that same-sex marriage will lead to legalized pedophilia is a malicious, flat-out lie.

How ironic coming from someone to claims to be devoted to the truth.
You can't call him a liar if it hasn't happened. A prediction can't really be called a lie. It can be called wrong but not a lie.

You can reasonably predict--from following history--that that while conservatives in large numbers do not accept homosexual marriages today, that many decades from now most conservatives will.

It's kind of like conservatives and clothing. Just about all conservative women today dress in fashions that would have labeled them a "sl_t" back in the 1930s let alone the 1800s. And many of the wear tight jeans and shirts that reveal some cleavage.

But they'll refrain from dressing like some "really liberal women" that dress in ways that today's standards regard as "sl_tty."

And notice how liberals in the same clothing trends never just stopped at one level. As time increased in decades they kept pushing the envelope and one tied to sex: clothing tied to sexuality.

Both the conservative and liberal need each other, similar to, but not exactly like, how cops need criminals.

History would not suggest liberals are going to stop with gay marriage. No more than porn was going to simply stop at Playboy or Hustler for liberals. No, they went further. They went deeper into hard porn and deeper into fetishes.

My understanding is that in the 1970s all most gays said they really want was, "To just be left alone." Notice how once that happened it was not enough. It can't be for a liberal. Like an addict, "One is too many and a thousand are never enough."

Not even legalizing pedophilia or granting equal marriage to pedophiles would be enough. They build up increasing tolerances. At some point their society will OD though.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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What is up with the mentality? People go crazy when a 20 something guy like me doesn't support the gay movement as if it is absolutely required for anyone under 30 to succumb to the gay influence. Like people in their 20's and under don't have a choice to make up their mind. It's like everytime the gays are handing out fliers around town, they make sure to give one to people in their 20's and below like, "you're young you MUST support us", dude get the *** out of my face. My college campus is also flooded with this too. It's like the gay movement is trying to monopolize the views of my generation by trying to create the image that resistance to the gay agenda is an "old person" thing. 20's something men and women have to be down with this, really? Being young in the midst of this gay agenda is TOUGH, the pressure, the influence,it's just gets too much sometimes. Sometimes it feels overwhelming. Older people don't know what we're going through. Some of us young people just want to be left alone and they KEEP bothering us relentlessly.
Are you a church guy?
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Among young people conditioned and educated in a liberal democracy you will always have the odd lone wolf...the one where the conditioning did not take. I see groups of very tolerant liberally trained kids walking in bands in the city of Toronto - they are a new breed...and they tolerate and get along with all types ...which is wonderful...except for one defective trait...few of them can tell the difference between a bad and deviant person and a good one. For this they will eventually pay a personal price. I like what the liberal experiment has done for young people in my city...for the most part the experiment is a success.....problem is few of these overly tolerant kids are street wise...and the world at large is not as gentle as urban Toronto.

There is another thing I noticed about these liberally trained kids...most are from upper class and middle class families where they would have been taught good values regardless...most of the grandparents were Christians..and the effect of real liberalism has trickled down a few generations.

Again - It must be mentioned that there are still sinister people out there...not all supposedly respectable straights are good people...and there are pockets in the gay community who are absolutely sinister....A young person is naive if they fully think "It's all good"...
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