Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-27-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
17,823 posts, read 23,448,604 times
Reputation: 6541

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamBarrow View Post
Yes but that could be done away with without establishing any kind of registry, that is my point.
How can you prevent people purchasing weapons from private individuals, without a background check and without any records of the sale/purchase? It cannot be done, and I will not purchase a firearm any other way.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-27-2013, 03:55 PM
 
6,137 posts, read 4,860,418 times
Reputation: 1517
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisFromChicago View Post
Of course it goes back to guns. . .Where we have more guns (Montana) we have more suicides. More guns, easier access to guns, means more deaths from suicides. Mental health is a component but a second component of the issue is ensuring that guns are not given to the wrong people and that people with guns are required to have them secured or face VERY tough punishment.
Well for starters, I think if you want to blow your brains out that's your right.

But I'm pretty sure Japan has one of the highest, if not the highest suicide rate in the world. That gun infested hellhole.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
310 posts, read 256,262 times
Reputation: 124
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamBarrow View Post
Well for starters, I think if you want to blow your brains out that's your right.
Agreed. Who gives anybody else the right to tell you whether or not you can end your own life?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:08 PM
 
6,137 posts, read 4,860,418 times
Reputation: 1517
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
How can you prevent people purchasing weapons from private individuals, without a background check and without any records of the sale/purchase? It cannot be done, and I will not purchase a firearm any other way.
What I mean is that it can be outlawed, not prevented.

What you claim is exactly the reason why a registry will not work.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Pa
20,300 posts, read 22,217,585 times
Reputation: 6553
I wonder. Are the people who wrote the report pro-gun anti- gun or neutral?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Ohio
13,933 posts, read 12,892,966 times
Reputation: 7399
Quote:
Originally Posted by artisan4 View Post
Looking at page 4, the paragraph 'Risk and Protective Factors', also interesting that it mentions the 'social policies that maintain high levels of economic or social inequality among groups in society' . Also above that, the lack of data on gun ownership that a national gun registry would address.


Quote:
Originally Posted by artisan4 View Post
'...the US rate of firearm-related deaths is the highest among industrialized countries.'
What constitutes an assault weapon? Why should they be banned? Are they more deadly or powerful than all other guns on the market?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
23,866 posts, read 24,105,148 times
Reputation: 15135
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert_J View Post
... Beretta 92FS. Standard sidearm of the military and the Los Angeles Police Department.
I don't know about the LAPD, but most police departments have switched to the Glock 17. The 92 isn't nearly as popular with the police and military as it used to be.

Actually, that's one I've been meaning to add to the collection.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
17,823 posts, read 23,448,604 times
Reputation: 6541
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert_J View Post
How did the detective in "another city" have that serial number? If the gun was used in a crime, shouldn't it be in evidence somewhere? If it isn't in evidence, how will he know the serial number?

What if the receiver was built at home and has no serial number? If you don't know, that is the receiver for a Beretta 92FS. Standard sidearm of the military and the Los Angeles Police Department.
While being the standard sidearm for the Air Force, Navy, and Army, the Beretta 92F (M9) only saw limited use in the Marine Corps. The Marine Corps uses a modified version of the M1911, which is now designated as the M45A1 Close Quarters Battle Pistol (CQBP).

MEU(SOC) pistol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
29,094 posts, read 26,001,988 times
Reputation: 6128
Quote:
Originally Posted by artisan4 View Post
Wrong. I said a national registry would help law enforcement in solving crimes. Voting for progressive politicians...
You mean liberals.

No thanks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2013, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
9,437 posts, read 7,367,374 times
Reputation: 7979
Quote:
Originally Posted by artisan4 View Post
Why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't most? According to polls most gun owners support background checks and gun control.

It's not my job to 'enlighten you' and I don't set up databases; do you? What program would you write to set it all up?
Why wouldn't they? Because historically gun registration has always been followed by gun confiscation and people don't trust the government.

It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars for the government to setup the database, build the datacenter to house the information, and the backups, and the off site backups, secure the facility and vett the staff, hire the staff, and then many, many, manyt, millions more to gather the data, and more millions to keep it up to date and confirm it's accurate.

Next you'd want to match ballistics to the guns, more hundreds of millions of constantly changing datapoints that would need to be kept up to date, and impossible to track. Do you know how long it takes to change a barrel on a semi auto pistol? About 10 seconds, depending on the gun, and you can buy as many as you want through the mail. Do you know that the more a gun is shot the more the barrel wears and is changed until the ballistics will no longer match.

I'm sure you'd also want to match up cases to guns, but again just like bullets those markings can be easily changed by swapping parts or a few seconds with a file and will change over time.

And it all hinges on citizens volunteering to bring in all of their firearms for testing, which isn't going to happen. In the end billions of dollars wasted on a project doomed from the start.

The real world isn't CSI-NY.

But hey, it's federal money so it's free, right?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:56 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top