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Old 06-30-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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They owned all three bodies which is the same situation the (R)'s were in. Obama hasn't even attempted to do many of the things he promised so no filibuster was even needed.
No, saying the Dems had control of all 3 bodies is not the same as saying they had the ability to pass that legislation without 60 votes.

And as i said in my Response about George Bush, Obama did indeed try to pass many of his promises,and he was denied by Republicans filibustering. Again Just because the promise was not fulfilled does not meant he person did not try.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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I'm less concerned by what started the recession than the deliberate efforts by Republicans over the last five years to sabotage the recovery.
Examples please..
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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They owned all three bodies which is the same situation the (R)'s were in. Obama hasn't even attempted to do many of the things he promised so no filibuster was even needed.
Democrats stopped the bills from coming out of committees.. Its a well known fact


Democrats in their own words Covering up Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac scandal - YouTube

Ignorance must be bliss...
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Obama hasn't even attempted to do many of the things he promised so no filibuster was even needed.
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The Republicans didn't have to help there.
you are contradicting yourself.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Democrats stopped the bills from coming out of committees.. Its a well known fact


Democrats in their own words Covering up Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac scandal - YouTube

Ignorance must be bliss...
The comment you Responded to was about Dems controlling all 3 houses correct ? so how is this video proving your point
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Examples please..
Pick up a copy:

Amazon.com: SABOTAGE: How the Republican Party Crippled America's Economic Recovery eBook: Daniel Altman: Kindle Store

It's cheap.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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Actually he did try. The problem with that is simply that people believe what he tried to do made it worse.

Having good intentions and failing is not the same as never trying. You cant just not give the man credit.
If you say so.
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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No, but if you're going to be ignorant, you can pretend things didnt happen that did.
There is a reason I've said that if there is something to present, present it and nobody has.

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Never said he did, I said he HAD CONGRESS present bills..
If you say so.

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If the bills werent presented like you claim, then Democrats couldnt have done what you wont argue they didnt.. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth for no reason.
There were a small handful trying their best to get the ship turned from the impending iceberg but Bush wasn't one of them. The Dems did indeed fight these efforts.
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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No, saying the Dems had control of all 3 bodies is not the same as saying they had the ability to pass that legislation without 60 votes.
As I said, without it ever being presented the numbers are irrelevant. You can't argue the GOP blocked what was never presented.

Many of things didn't even need the GOP. Like his promise to go after the bankers criminally. The power there was all his.

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And as i said in my Response about George Bush, Obama did indeed try to pass many of his promises,and he was denied by Republicans filibustering. Again Just because the promise was not fulfilled does not meant he person did not try.
No, because he didn't try is why history will show it wasn't fulfilled.
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Its been argued, but not successfully because Republicans participated in the most filibusters in history during President Obama's first term. That meaning they put in place the "60 votes to pass rule". President Obama only has 60 seats for 3 weeks total for then entire first 2 years of his Presidency.

And i dont even get why you guys make that argument as if you wanted him to do the things he was proposing.


Take it up with all right wing nut jobs in Massachusetts.
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