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Old 08-23-2013, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Would anyone here, Democrat or Republican, care if we decided to look inward? What I'm saying is tell the rest of the world to handle its own mess and maybe take care of our own problems at home? That means bringing our troops home, rebuilding Detroit rather than Afghanistan, working to prevent violence in schools rather than violence in Syria, etc. I would like 10 years where America spent its wealth and income on itself for once. Maybe this could be a good time for conservatives and liberals to make peace and move onward together. I think the stress of dealing with the rest of the worlds problems really weighs on on both sides of the spectrum and causes toxicity.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You would have to convince the plutocrats that a major shift in policy would...

A. Maintain/increase their wealth
B. Not risk actual democracy breaking out at home
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I generally agree with the OP's post and points, though I obviously don't think that we should completely disengage from international affairs.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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Would anyone here, Democrat or Republican, care if we decided to look inward? What I'm saying is tell the rest of the world to handle its own mess and maybe take care of our own problems at home? That means bringing our troops home, rebuilding Detroit rather than Afghanistan, working to prevent violence in schools rather than violence in Syria, etc. I would like 10 years where America spent its wealth and income on itself for once. Maybe this could be a good time for conservatives and liberals to make peace and move onward together. I think the stress of dealing with the rest of the worlds problems really weighs on on both sides of the spectrum and causes toxicity.
Your comments about Detroit made me think of this new book I just finished and highly recommend as a starting point; The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America by George Packer. A riveting examination of a nation in crisis, from one of the finest political journalists of our generation. American democracy is beset by a sense of crisis. Seismic shifts during a single generation have created a country of winners and losers, allowing unprecedented freedom while rending the social contract, driving the political system to the verge of breakdown, and setting citizens adrift to find new paths forward.

In The Unwinding, George Packer, author of The Assassins' Gate: America in Iraq, tells the story of the United States over the past three decades in an utterly original way, with his characteristically sharp eye for detail and gift for weaving together complex narratives. Spanning three decades, it's a history of disassemblage, a chronicle of a nation where the "structures that had been in place before your birth collapse like pillars of salt across the vast visible landscape – the farms of the Carolina Piedmont, the factories of the Mahoning Valley, Florida subdivisions, California schools". It's also a threnody, a lamentation about the silence, at least in political circles, around those collapsing structures: "An old city can lose its industrial foundation and two-thirds of its people, while all its mainstays – churches, government, business, charities, unions – fall like building flats in a strong wind, hardly making a sound."

The Unwinding portrays a superpower in danger of coming apart at the seams, its elites no longer elite, its institutions no longer working, its ordinary people left to improvise their own schemes for success and salvation.

The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America by George Packer

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Old 08-24-2013, 12:20 AM
 
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Would anyone here, Democrat or Republican, care if we decided to look inward? What I'm saying is tell the rest of the world to handle its own mess and maybe take care of our own problems at home? That means bringing our troops home, rebuilding Detroit rather than Afghanistan, working to prevent violence in schools rather than violence in Syria, etc. I would like 10 years where America spent its wealth and income on itself for once. Maybe this could be a good time for conservatives and liberals to make peace and move onward together. I think the stress of dealing with the rest of the worlds problems really weighs on on both sides of the spectrum and causes toxicity.
What is this some sophomoric exercise? Learn how the world works.

Maybe this could be a good time for conservatives and liberals to make peace and move onward together.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:37 AM
 
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What is this some sophomoric exercise? Learn how the world works.

Maybe this could be a good time for conservatives and liberals to make peace and move onward together.
Good point because the US can't just pick up and walk away so to say. Actually the world economy relies on the US. We take our ball and go home a mess would be left behind with a lot of bodies in the wake. Many think we can "cut and run" and it does sound good but it's not reality. I wish it were true. Global economy.........we leave we will be left behind along with the bodies. It would be an ugly war that the US wouldn't be a part of.............well that they announce because after all we pulled out............but it would be ugly........and China or Russia or a combo would become the kings. Our hold on the worlds reserve currency is over. Which means no more fake bucks...no more printing money...........no more credit cards......no more bank loans........... Anarchy in the Us would occur. That is why we send our boys to fight for the oil for dollar game.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:42 AM
 
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Americans are too self-obsessed already and it is too late.

Something has to break and that is intentional.

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You would have to convince the plutocrats that a major shift in policy would...

A. Maintain/increase their wealth
B. Not risk actual democracy breaking out at home
And...
C. Keep their superiority intact.
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:12 AM
 
Location: USA
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You would have to convince the plutocrats that a major shift in policy would...

A. Maintain/increase their wealth
B. Not risk actual democracy breaking out at home
Or you could just take it over.
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:15 AM
 
Location: USA
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Would anyone here, Democrat or Republican, care if we decided to look inward? What I'm saying is tell the rest of the world to handle its own mess and maybe take care of our own problems at home? That means bringing our troops home, rebuilding Detroit rather than Afghanistan, working to prevent violence in schools rather than violence in Syria, etc. I would like 10 years where America spent its wealth and income on itself for once. Maybe this could be a good time for conservatives and liberals to make peace and move onward together. I think the stress of dealing with the rest of the worlds problems really weighs on on both sides of the spectrum and causes toxicity.
I think your dead on.



I think we'd take huge strides as a nation.
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