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Old 07-02-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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By rejecting the "illegitimate" children the anti-choice males create they are already "aborting" these children they should be responsible for. They just wait until the woman suffers pregnancy and childbirth as punishment of having sex with these hypocrites.

Be careful girls. Many of these guys just want to get laid. They do not want to spend their money on their kids.
You bet. Anti-choice males are like those dudes that just want to spread semen around and see how many kids they can create, and later they turn out to be horrific fathers. Racist, bigoted, sexist males are monstrously horrific fathers. Too bad there are always stupid, incredibly desperate women out there willing to go out and marry these jerks.

 
Old 07-02-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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This thread reminded me of a T-shirt idea i have.

It reads:

Taz the stupid.


Thank you all for reading this. have a nice drug free day!
 
Old 07-02-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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"God" aborts plenty of babies. Miscarriages and stillbirths anyone?
Still doesn't give YOU the right to. You ain't GOD
 
Old 07-02-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Still doesn't give YOU the right to. You ain't GOD
So it's okay for God to kill as many "babies" as possible?

And sorry but yes it oes. If I am pregnant then the fetus growing inside of me is my PROPERTY. It is legal for a person to destroy their own property.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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So it's okay for God to kill as many "babies" as possible?
Go ask GOD.


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And sorry but yes it oes. If I am pregnant then the fetus growing inside of me is my PROPERTY. It is legal for a person to destroy their own property.
Now, look at your own words....Do you see how SELFISH you sound?

It takes TWO(2) PEOPLE male/female to make a baby so at the very least you are bound by the males decision to abort or not, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
 
Old 07-02-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Australia
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Go ask GOD.
I don't believe in any sky fairies.




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Now, look at your own words....Do you see how SELFISH you sound?

It takes TWO(2) PEOPLE male/female to make a baby so at the very least you are bound by the males decision to abort or not, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
Yes, it's so selfish to control my own body.
It would be leeching off my body. My body my choice. Just because he contributed 50% of the DNA doesn't mean he gets 50% of the responsibility. He could walk away from a woman straight after sex and the baby/fetus would still grow into a child just fine without him. Yes, it takes a man and a woman to create a baby/fetus but the woman does 99% of the actual work.

Why do men have sex with women who don't want to be impregnated? Maybe they should be more careful where they dump their sperm.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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I don't believe in any sky fairies.

Yes, it's so selfish to control my own body.
It would be leeching off my body. My body my choice. Just because he contributed 50% of the DNA doesn't mean he gets 50% of the responsibility. He could walk away from a woman straight after sex and the baby/fetus would still grow into a child just fine without him. Yes, it takes a man and a woman to create a baby/fetus but the woman does 99% of the actual work.

Why do men have sex with women who don't want to be impregnated? Maybe they should be more careful where they dump their sperm.
That's what I say. The anti-abortion nutjobs need to go dump their semen in the nearest toilet - and FLUSH that sh*t away!
 
Old 07-02-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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Bible bashing is a good thing, in my opinion. I see very little if any good that religion has brought, but I see lots of evil and death it has wrought on mankind.
So having original ideas is not important to you I take it.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Oh BS. Maybe, MAYBE back when Catholics were liberals. Back then, they were liberal about money for the poor, government's necessity to help the helpless survive, etc., but they also kept their paws out of people's private lives. Then, all of a sudden, around 1980 Catholics jumped in the sack with the really mentally ill branch of christianity - the right wing extremist, GOP evangelicals - a few pumps in and out, and VOILA! They were identical to the evangelical nutjobs that are infesting our country today. Fiscal liberals my *****.
You are misinformed.

For one thing, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church throughout Europe were for centuries closely aligned with the aristocracy. To my understanding at least. And this may have been in part due to educational attainment. Most who had access to higher levels of education were from aristocratic homes. And a lot of the clergy came from aristocratic homes.

The history of the Catholic Church in the United States, especially during the immigration waves of the early 20th Century, was different. Most the Bishop of the U.S. Catholic Church were drawn from the homes of impoverished and working class immigrant families.

The body of work called the "Social Justice Teaching" of the Catholic Church originated in the late 1800s with the Pope of time, and it was a response of his to the kind of dirty, abject, urban poverty and horrible working conditions that sprout up around the industrial cities of the Industrial Revolution.

The Church then became very closely associated with the poor. The heirachy of the Church. The lay people always made up all socio-economic strata of societies. And since many if not most people in all societies were poor centuries ago, most lay Catholics were poor.

Opposition to abortion (and infanticide) has always existed in Catholicism. That goes back to very Early Christianity.

The concept of "sin" in Catholicism is not one that is merely private, in the sense that it only affects the individual, but rather, sin is seen as having a social dimension too. You might think of it as similar to the secular concept of the "Butterfly Effect." Butterfly effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions, in which a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state. The name of the effect, coined by Edward Lorenz, is derived from the theoretical example of a hurricane's formation being contingent on whether or not a distant butterfly had flapped its wings several weeks earlier.
Legalized abortion put many Catholics in some social and political alliances with Protestants. Some left the Democratic Party. Like Father Groschel who is both a priest and friar as well as a psychologist. He is financially responsible (or was... I'm not sure what impact his advanced age plays on that now) for a number of homeless men in New York with substance addiction. He was a life long Democrat. But partly because of the abortion issue parted ways with that party. He says he's worked his whole life since the 4th grade (in the video to the left below, he says this). I don't any of that makes him a "nut job, right-wing extremist."



Bronx 2012: Fr Benedict Groeschel, CFR - YouTube
Fr. Benedict Groeschel - Isolation And Today's Culture - YouTube

Groschel has been arrested protesting outside of abortion clinics. Peaceful protesting and not screaming at women entering and existing the facilities.

And the the Pope has stated nation-states are to make healthcare a right for citizens. This all aside from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops telling U.S. Catholics that while they must vote with their conscience they must vote in favor of pro-life, organized labor, gun control etc.

Two of those are associated with Democrats. Only of those 3 I mentioned is associated with Republicans.

While the Catholic Church is opposed to socialism and excessive welfare states, it does promote governments spending money to help the poor where local communities can not sufficiently do so. The Church has an economic theory called Distributism which it regards as a middle road between socialism and capitalism.

Pope Is No Tea Partier: Benedict Backs Guaranteed Health Care For All

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Pope Is No Tea Partier: Benedict Backs Guaranteed Health Care For All

As newly empowered Republicans prepare a congressional agenda topped by a promise to repeal health care reform, Pope Benedict XVI has strongly reiterated Catholic teaching that universal health care is an "inalienable right" that must be guaranteed by every nation and society.

"It is necessary to work with greater commitment at all levels so that the right to health is rendered effective, favoring access to primary health care," Benedict said in a message on Thursday to the 25th annual conference of the Vatican office that promotes health care ministry.

"Health justice should be among the priorities of governments and international institutions," he added.

The pope said that establishing this goal requires "a true distributive justice that guarantees to all, on the basis of objective needs, adequate care," and, "The social doctrine of the Church has always evidenced the importance of distributive justice and of social justice in the different sectors of human relations."

The Mistake about Distributism - YouTube
 
Old 07-03-2013, 07:43 AM
 
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You are misinformed.

For one thing, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church throughout Europe were for centuries closely aligned with the aristocracy. To my understanding at least. And this may have been in part due to educational attainment. Most who had access to higher levels of education were from aristocratic homes. And a lot of the clergy came from aristocratic homes.

The history of the Catholic Church in the United States, especially during the immigration waves of the early 20th Century, was different. Most the Bishop of the U.S. Catholic Church were drawn from the homes of impoverished and working class immigrant families.

The body of work called the "Social Justice Teaching" of the Catholic Church originated in the late 1800s with the Pope of time, and it was a response of his to the kind of dirty, abject, urban poverty and horrible working conditions that sprout up around the industrial cities of the Industrial Revolution.

The Church then became very closely associated with the poor. The heirachy of the Church. The lay people always made up all socio-economic strata of societies. And since many if not most people in all societies were poor centuries ago, most lay Catholics were poor.

Opposition to abortion (and infanticide) has always existed in Catholicism. That goes back to very Early Christianity.

The concept of "sin" in Catholicism is not one that is merely private, in the sense that it only affects the individual, but rather, sin is seen as having a social dimension too. You might think of it as similar to the secular concept of the "Butterfly Effect." Butterfly effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legalized abortion put many Catholics in some social and political alliances with Protestants. Some left the Democratic Party. Like Father Groschel who is both a priest and friar as well as a psychologist. He is financially responsible (or was... I'm not sure what impact his advanced age plays on that now) for a number of homeless men in New York with substance addiction. He was a life long Democrat. But partly because of the abortion issue parted ways with that party. He says he's worked his whole life since the 4th grade (in the video to the left below, he says this). I don't any of that makes him a "nut job, right-wing extremist."



Bronx 2012: Fr Benedict Groeschel, CFR - YouTube
Fr. Benedict Groeschel - Isolation And Today's Culture - YouTube

Groschel has been arrested protesting outside of abortion clinics. Peaceful protesting and not screaming at women entering and existing the facilities.

And the the Pope has stated nation-states are to make healthcare a right for citizens. This all aside from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops telling U.S. Catholics that while they must vote with their conscience they must vote in favor of pro-life, organized labor, gun control etc.

Two of those are associated with Democrats. Only of those 3 I mentioned is associated with Republicans.

While the Catholic Church is opposed to socialism and excessive welfare states, it does promote governments spending money to help the poor where local communities can not sufficiently do so. The Church has an economic theory called Distributism which it regards as a middle road between socialism and capitalism.

Pope Is No Tea Partier: Benedict Backs Guaranteed Health Care For All

Excerpt.

The Mistake about Distributism - YouTube
I know very well who Groschel is, and though I customarily admire people who take up the robe, be they Buddhist, Catholic, or what have you, I have ZERO respect for Groschel, whom I've seen on EWTN. He needs to mind his own F business, focus on his penis, and minding that, and stop intruding his nose into women's uteruses, which is an organ he doesn't have. I can't tell you how nauseous I get when I hear of males involved in the control-women's-uteruses campaign. It's heinous and evil.
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