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Old 06-30-2013, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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IT will always be a civil right. And no state can get out of the "marriage" business completely, because the STATE must legalize a marriage (marriage licenses are only issued by a state)
What requires a state to issue a marriage license?

 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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Loving v. Virginia had nothing to do with gay marriage.
So what?

It had to with marriage. they didn't have to apply it directly to anyone gays,, straight, bi, or transgendered.

They could have ruled narrowly in Loving v Virginia, by simply stating that marriage would allow for blacks and whites to marry each other.

But they didn't. They applied the decision equally to ALL citizens of the US.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:28 PM
 
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What requires a state to issue a marriage license?
Seeing as our States and Constitution based on nearly 500 years of Anglo Saxon law, marriage licenses were pretty much codified from the beginning, in state Constitutions and State Codes (laws).
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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the "founders" weren't concerned with marriage, so why do you think they would have cared?
If you "think" that any founder of this country was in favor of same gender "marriage" you must also believe that the British only lost the war because little green men helped the Continental Army win the battle of Saratoga



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then how can you mis-interpret these words from the 14th Amendment
please tell me which member of congress that voted on the 14th Amendment who agreed with your interpretation?
for some reason I don't remember anyone discussing same gender "marriage" in the debate about that amendment.

how about finding even 1 member of the state legislatures that approved the bill (before it became law) that was in favor of same gender "marriage"

If you can show 1 person who voted on the 14th amendment, before it became the law of the land, then I'll agree with you.
1 out of more than a few 1000 shouldn't be so difficult if you were right.


I would have more respect for homolovers if they knew how to tell the truth.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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Why do gay bashers have to lie?

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival. Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942). See also Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888). To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual, and cannot be infringed by the State.


Loving v. Virginia
what does sterilization have to do with same gender "marriage"?
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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So what?

It had to with marriage. they didn't have to apply it directly to anyone gays,, straight, bi, or transgendered.
2 men can have a natural child?
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:34 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Didn't the people of California vote they didn't want gay marriage to be legal ?

California is predominately Democratic and Liberal.

Why did they vote like this ?
It's been said again and again: "Why should the majority vote of citizens be used to remove the rights of a minority? What if states started voting to remove certain rights of jews, blacks, mexican-americans? The Prop 8 vote was manipulated by hateful religious groups that exploited the ignorance and prejudice of the masses by exploiting deceptive propaganda and outright lies about marriage equality. Religious groups are tax exempt and have no limits to what they can spend on these issues. Nobody wanted to vote for a "stinky gay person that would turn their children "gay" by the time the mormons got done with their smear campaign. Even since 2008, there has been a sea change in the way that people have come to think on the matter.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:35 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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2 men can have a natural child?
I read a poll that said that 81% of jews support marriage equality. Guess you're one of the 19%?
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:36 PM
 
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2 men can have a natural child?
No, but they can raise one. And having a child is by far the easier bit.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:37 PM
 
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Did the people in the south not want interracial marriage?

We are not allowed to vote away other citizens rights. Sorry
Marriage is not a right and never has been. One must apply to the state for an application which indeed can be denied.

That being said, its a PRIVILEDGE which should be granted to all, based upon the pusuit of happiness clause in the Declaration of Independance.
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