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I don't see it that way. No matter what West did, she refused to say that Trayvon approached Zimmerman. She never changed her story that Zimmerman came up behind Trayvon. She said that Trayvon and Zimmerman both sounded out of breath, which suggests that Zimmerman was running, or at least walking fast, and not stopped at the T. She never changed her story of what Trayvon said: "Why are you following me for?", instead of the more confrontational, "You got a problem?" which I think Zimmerman actually quoted as "you got a problem homie?" in one statement. She never changed her story of hearing a bump, and then the sound of earphones in the grass. And even the "get off, get off" sounds credible.
I disagree but then at the end of the day, our opinion doesn't matter. I do think her hostility on the stand did not help. After all, the jury is made of humans, in all of their fallible nature.
50%. I don't think Trayvon said "You're going to die tonight." That sounds like something out of a movie. Trayvon didn't reach for the gun either. I don't think Trayvon just randomly sprang up on him either. I think Zimmerman ran up on him, just like Rachel said, and either Zimmerman tried to grab him to hold him until police arrive, or Trayvon reacted defensively and punched Zimmerman.
I also question whether Zimmerman ever really tried to defend himself. I think he may have started reaching for the gun soon after the fight started. Its not that hard to block punches from an opponent who has you mounted, ESPECIALLY if that opponent weighs less than you. I've trained in MMA for several years and if a lighter man is on top of you, especially one with no training, even if you know nothing about grappling it's not difficult to get him off or at least bear hug him and buy yourself some time. Zimmerman weighed 200lb and TM weighed 150??
GZ was checked into the Sanford police station standing at 5'7" and weighing 185'.
TM stood at 5'11" and weighing 160'.
That is only a 25 lb difference, not a 50 lb difference.
I don't see it that way. No matter what West did, she refused to say that Trayvon approached Zimmerman. She never changed her story that Zimmerman came up behind Trayvon. She said that Trayvon and Zimmerman both sounded out of breath, which suggests that Zimmerman was running, or at least walking fast, and not stopped at the T. She never changed her story of what Trayvon said: "Why are you following me for?", instead of the more confrontational, "You got a problem?" which I think Zimmerman actually quoted as "you got a problem homie?" in one statement. She never changed her story of hearing a bump, and then the sound of earphones in the grass. And even the "get off, get off" sounds credible.
GZ's face and head sure looked like TM was saying, "get off, get off".
I disagree but then at the end of the day, our opinion doesn't matter. I do think her hostility on the stand did not help. After all, the jury is made of humans, in all of their fallible nature.
What does even this mean?
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Or it looks like GZ did not get off, so TM had to get him off.
Really? So, GZ gets on top of TM, doesn't leave any visible marks on TM, save the gun shot wound, but GZ sustains multiple injuries. Your scenario seems highly unlikely.
Not according to the neighbor John Good. TM was on top and he said that he saw downward striking motions.
Facts don't seem to really matter in this case. All over Twitter, voices crying to tear up their own communities over it. Someone even suggested going into Best Buy, not realizing the cost will be turned toward the consumer. Something a shoplifter doesn't take into account either.
Every person Tweeting and Facebooking this garbage need to be held accountable.
I don't see it that way. No matter what West did, she refused to say that Trayvon approached Zimmerman. She never changed her story that Zimmerman came up behind Trayvon. She said that Trayvon and Zimmerman both sounded out of breath, which suggests that Zimmerman was running, or at least walking fast, and not stopped at the T. She never changed her story of what Trayvon said: "Why are you following me for?", instead of the more confrontational, "You got a problem?" which I think Zimmerman actually quoted as "you got a problem homie?" in one statement. She never changed her story of hearing a bump, and then the sound of earphones in the grass. And even the "get off, get off" sounds credible.
The phone disconneted but she still hears get off, get off. She did change the get off, get off from Bernie to trial.
Hearing tm screaming for help hanged from this ---
"It could be Trayvon. Like I said, I don't know but it could be. The dude sounded kind of like Trayvon. Trayvon do got that soft voice and that baby voice sometimes. So, it could be, I don't know."
to---
'It was Trayvon.'
Though I'm no expert in urban youth culture, I'm sure she didn't want to return to Miami without doing what she could to help tm, or she'd be facing some pretty friends.
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Leave it to you to be insanely PC. Every rational person knows that the prosecution would have preferred an all black jury and the defense an all white one.
I think your own biases are showing. The jury I was just on was composed of Blacks and whites. The defendant was black and the victim was black. The blacks on the jury were the ones arguing the most for a guilty verdict.
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Someone even suggested going into Best Buy, not realizing the cost will be turned toward the consumer. Something a shoplifter doesn't take into account either.
friends.