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Old 07-02-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I agree with you - my experience has been that Germans have no interest in owning guns.
All governments which impose such laws claim "citizens have no interest in such things anyway". If they had no interest, there would be no need for the laws. Do you understand that?
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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All governments which impose such laws claim "citizens have no interest in such things anyway". If they had no interest, there would be no need for the laws. Do you understand that?
It is not the government, but us people who have observed that lack of interest in guns. If people felt threatened maybe things would be different. But German police have a good reputation, there are few guns around, thus little violent crime, thus little fear or need to protect oneself, thus no interest in guns.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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All governments which impose such laws claim "citizens have no interest in such things anyway". If they had no interest, there would be no need for the laws. Do you understand that?
Thats a pretty sweeping claim.

Why is pedophilia illegal? Does a sizable portion of the population need to be restricted by government to not rape children?

Or maybe they can think and make decisions for themselves.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It is not the government, but us people who have observed that lack of interest in guns.
So, the government there creates complex laws to regulate items which people have absolutely no interest in owning in the first place And yet, there are 25 million guns in circulation, 4th most on the planet...... It's not adding up my friend.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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My sympathies for all the Germans that will never be able to enjoy shooting as a sport or a defense.
Tons of Germans shoot for sport.

Yet here's the thing: Once you've been through military training, the gun-as-cult-object thinking is sort of redirected. Military-issue firearms are a colossal pain in the rear - big people with stripes yell at you for the slightest excuse: If you hold it wrong, if you point it the wrong way, if it's dirty, if it gets rusty, if it's lost - overall, it's just a ton of drama. To most Europeans, fascination with firearms is the hallmark of the greenest of green recruits.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Tons of Germans shoot for sport.

Yet here's the thing: Once you've been through military training, the gun-as-cult-object thinking is sort of redirected. Military-issue firearms are a colossal pain in the rear - big people with stripes yell at you for the slightest excuse: If you hold it wrong, if you point it the wrong way, if it's dirty, if it gets rusty, if it's lost - overall, it's just a ton of drama. To most Europeans, fascination with firearms is the hallmark of the greenest of green recruits.
And Americans. Come to think of it, American gun fanatics do have some of the same characteristics of green recruits. Tough guy wannabes.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:57 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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So, the government there creates complex laws to regulate items which people have absolutely no interest in owning in the first place And yet, there are 25 million guns in circulation, 4th most on the planet...... It's not adding up my friend.
1. See post before yours.
2. There are not 25m guns in circulation, there are 20m all in all, 15m of which old rifles, many of which are never used and owned by far fewer than 15m people.

I find it odd when foreigners keep telling me how people in my own country think and behave...
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Yet here's the thing: Once you've been through military training, the gun-as-cult-object thinking is sort of redirected. Military-issue firearms are a colossal pain in the rear - big people with stripes yell at you for the slightest excuse: If you hold it wrong, if you point it the wrong way, if it's dirty, if it gets rusty, if it's lost - overall, it's just a ton of drama. To most Europeans, fascination with firearms is the hallmark of the greenest of green recruits.

Amen.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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1. See post before yours.
2. There are not 25m guns in circulation, there are 20m all in all, 15m of which old rifles, many of which are never used and owned by far fewer than 15m people.

I find it odd when foreigners keep telling me how people in my own country think and behave...
Someone has to give you the facts, since you obviously do not know. For example, how would you possibly know most of those rifles have never been used? You don't know, but you are happy to declare something and then say "I know, because I live here". I dont' care where you live, but when people pass personal opinon for fact, I will correct it.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Tons of Germans shoot for sport.

Yet here's the thing: Once you've been through military training, the gun-as-cult-object thinking is sort of redirected. Military-issue firearms are a colossal pain in the rear - big people with stripes yell at you for the slightest excuse: If you hold it wrong, if you point it the wrong way, if it's dirty, if it gets rusty, if it's lost - overall, it's just a ton of drama. To most Europeans, fascination with firearms is the hallmark of the greenest of green recruits.
I did not find my service rifle a pain in the rear, and the way I viewed it did not change while I was in service. As a matter of fact I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about with your last sentence, but I am glad you see yourself as the spokesman of "most Europeans". After all, you do live Los Angeles.
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