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Old 07-05-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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So if it is my fault for buying a TV that I cannot afford, why isn't it the student's fault for pursuing a degree that he/she cannot pay for?
Trying to compare the price of a tv to the price of a college education is ludicrous at best.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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Trying to compare the price of a tv to the price of a college education is ludicrous at best.
Can you answer the question? Are people not responsible for their own financial decisions?
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Trying to compare the price of a tv to the price of a college education is ludicrous at best.
The comparison is not a TV to a college degree, it's taking on debt and then deciding not to pay it off.

First we had those poor victims of the mortgage crisis, taking out mortgages they obviously couldn't afford and now college graduates taking out student loans they will be paying off for the next several decades.

Is everyone who doesn't pay back their debt now "victims of society" ?
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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Can you answer the question? Are people not responsible for their own financial decisions?
Is there a reason you keep asking me a question that I answered a few posts ago? Maybe you can go back & look.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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The comparison is not a TV to a college degree, it's taking on debt and then deciding not to pay it off.

First we had those poor victims of the mortgage crisis, taking out mortgages they obviously couldn't afford and now college graduates taking out student loans they will be paying off for the next several decades.

Is everyone who doesn't pay back their debt now "victims of society" ?
I don't recall saying everyone was victims of society. You must be thinking of someone else. And yes, comparing the price of a tv to a college education is ludicrous.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Seems Oregon has an experiment in place called Pay It Forward. Sounds good on paper, but will it work in reality?

Debt-Free Higher Education » Oregon Working Families Party

If graduates move out of state, would they still be obligated to Pay It Forward? Could their salary be garnished or if they get a tax refund, can it be withheld and turned over to the college? What if they can't find work, don't work, or quit their job - can they be sued?

A lot of "what if's" to this program.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:48 AM
 
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So if it is my fault for buying a TV that I cannot afford, why isn't it the student's fault for pursuing a degree that he/she cannot pay for?
Why should the onus be on kids when it's your political party that has f'd up nearly everything in this country? What's more, if kids aren't even told that there are alternatives to college, what do you expect exactly? Psychics? And are the kids' parents supposed to fix the mess corporations and the right wing have made of this economy? Do you place NO RESPONSIBILITY on yourself? EVER? When are you right wingers going to claim personal responsibility for the wrongs you do and have done? NEVER? Or are you all determined to take a free get out of jail pass on all of life, and that's why you persist in blaming everyone else for everything that goes wrong that you people did? You people do nothing but blame others 24/7, 365 days a year, like a broken record, and fact is, you ought to be blaming yourselves. I could start blaming right wingers right now if you'd like, for all the things they're guilty of, and the damage they've done to this country, including the disaster with the economy, the lack of jobs, and the outrageous cost of college. Right wingers are irresponsible, and what really gets me is that they never take any responsibility.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why should the onus be on kids when it's your political party that has f'd up nearly everything in this country? What's more, if kids aren't even told that there are alternatives to college, what do you expect exactly? Psychics? And are the kids' parents supposed to fix the mess corporations and the right wing have made of this economy? Do you place NO RESPONSIBILITY on yourself? EVER? When are you right wingers going to claim personal responsibility for the wrongs you do and have done? NEVER? Or are you all determined to take a free get out of jail pass on all of life, and that's why you persist in blaming everyone else for everything that goes wrong that you people did? You people do nothing but blame others 24/7, 365 days a year, like a broken record, and fact is, you ought to be blaming yourselves. I could start blaming right wingers right now if you'd like, for all the things they're guilty of, and the damage they've done to this country, including the disaster with the economy, the lack of jobs, and the outrageous cost of college. Right wingers are irresponsible, and what really gets me is that they never take any responsibility.
So the $1 trillion in student loan debt is the fault of the right ?
Wasn't it Obama that moved all student loans under the umbrella of the government so that everyone could go to college on Uncle Sam's dime ?

When the banks had the loans they made sure either the student or the parent had the ability to pay it back. The USG hands out loans like candy.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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So the $1 trillion in student loan debt is the fault of the right ?
Wasn't it Obama that moved all student loans under the umbrella of the government so that everyone could go to college on Uncle Sam's dime ?

When the banks had the loans they made sure either the student or the parent had the ability to pay it back. The USG hands out loans like candy.
The disastrous economy in this country today is indeed the fault of the right.
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Old 07-05-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The disastrous economy in this country today is indeed the fault of the right.
Sorry but the economy starting tipping in 2007. That's 6 years ago.
And that didn't seem to stop student loans from skyrocketing.

This "disasterous" economy is what we now have to deal with.
It was a long time in the making until all the pieces came together and both parties had a hand in this new economy.
People are delusional if they think the good times are coming back.
Companies didn't just cut back and lay off temporarily like they did in the 80's.
No, these companies offshored or brought in visa workers.
The jobs didn't get put on the shelf to be brought back out later; cheaper labor is now doing those jobs.

And no comment about Obama nationalizing student loans so they could be handed out like candy ?
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