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Old 07-02-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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She went to prison because she put other peoples lives in danger by firing a ridiculously stupid warning shot.

You never fire warning shots because you are then responsible for where that bullet goes. It puts others at risk. Drywall inside a home will not stop a bullet.
But she was convicted based on what the bullet could have done, the state prosecutor said it could have riccoched around the room. It seems it would have been better if she had just killed her abuser and then she would be like Zimmerman, who wasn't even prosecuted initially.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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Its simple. Her and Zimmerman should not be held under the same laws.
Should not, or were not?
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:07 PM
 
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A much better comparison is the Daniel Adkins shooting in Arizona, which I've brought up here several times.

Shooter was black, victim was hispanic mentally handicapped.

An argument broke out at a Taco Bell drive thru along the lines of the victim being upset that he was almost hit by the driver.

Victim made no contact, driver shot him from the safety of his car....claimed when police arrived that he had a pipe....no pipe found at the scene.

No charges filed. Happened within 3 weeks of Trayvon Martin incident.
The shooter, Cordell Jude, has indeed been charged with second degree murder.

Now about Marissa Alexander, she is definitely guilty. Just like GZ.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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The shooter, Cordell Jude, has indeed been charged with second degree murder.

Now about Marissa Alexander, she is definitely guilty. Just like GZ.
Guilty of what? Zimmerman killed someone. Marissa Alexander didn't injure anyone or cause anyone's death.

And unlike an innocent victim, she was shooting to warn off her abusive ex-husband who had already been convicted of domestic violence and whom she had a protective order against.

To me it was a clear case of self-defense. Much clearer than in the Zimmerman case.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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A much better comparison is the Daniel Adkins shooting in Arizona, which I've brought up here several times.

Shooter was black, victim was hispanic mentally handicapped.

An argument broke out at a Taco Bell drive thru along the lines of the victim being upset that he was almost hit by the driver.

Victim made no contact, driver shot him from the safety of his car....claimed when police arrived that he had a pipe....no pipe found at the scene.

No charges filed. Happened within 3 weeks of Trayvon Martin incident.
The law should be applied differently here. Although no loss either way.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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The law should be applied differently here. Although no loss either way.
I'm still not sure what you mean.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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She went to prison because she put other peoples lives in danger by firing a ridiculously stupid warning shot.

You never fire warning shots because you are then responsible for where that bullet goes. It puts others at risk. Drywall inside a home will not stop a bullet.

Well thankful no one WAS injured. Cheney actually bucked shot the face of a friend while hunting and the only thing that happened to him was the victim actually apologized to Cheney.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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I saw those threads, and I am not seeking "answers", but discussion, and I am comparing this case to the recent Zimmerman case, in light of what has emerged in that trial.

She had much stronger grounds for self-defense than Zimmerman, including the fact that her husband had previous convictions for domestic violence, unlike Trayvon Martin who was an innocent boy. And yet she was still prosecuted and is going to spend 20 years in prison.

She is black, she is a victim of domestic violence. I think this is a travesty of injustice.

This thread is for discussion and comparison of both cases, because I raised this issue in the Zimmerman thread, and was told it was off-topic, so I am posting my own topic.
Her skin color doesn't have anything to do with it. In your article it stated that another man, a white man, got the same exact sentence 2 years earlier.

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I think it is too & it's an excellent case for how screwed up these idiot gun laws. They pick & choose.
Actually, this would be a case that shows how screwed up minimum sentencing laws are.
  • The judge was bound by the state's minimum sentencing laws.
  • She was offered a 3 year plea deal which she turned down.
  • She left her house to retrieve a gun from her car and then went back inside her house.
  • She fired a warning shot, something you never ever do.
  • She had her kids next to her husband.
  • The article doesn't say where the shot was fired or where the kids and husband were standing in relation to the fired shot.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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You are seeing the reasoning behind this, right? Let's see, black kid unarmed is murdered, it's justifiable. Black woman fires warning shot instead of murdering, justifiable to toss her in jail.
Ah yes, I didn't make the connection until now.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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Ah yes, I didn't make the connection until now.
Because it's not there. From your source:

"Newburn says Alexander's case is not an isolated incident, and that people ensnared by mandatory-minimum laws cross racial barriers.


In central Florida, a white man named Orville Lee Wollard is nearly two years into a 20-year sentence for firing his gun inside his house to scare his daughter's boyfriend. Prosecutors contended that Wollard was shooting at the young man and missed.


He rejected a plea deal that offered probation but no prison time. Like Alexander, he took his chances at trial and was convicted of aggravated assault with a firearm. Circuit Judge Donald Jacobsen said he was "duty bound" by the 10-20-life law to impose the harsh sentence."
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