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Old 07-05-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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There is a recurring theme going on here...

Brown and black people are just tools without minds or aspirations of the own. Blacks are tools of the Democrats because they get free stuff, and Arabs and Egyptians are just tools of big oil.
So true ovcatto, so true.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:01 AM
 
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The fact that the U.S. concentrates its attentions on the Middle East is because of oil though. That, and Israel. I'm not saying Arabs and Egyptians are "tools" of big oil.
We're now moving into Africa, the next great frontier, to fight "terrorism" and bring "democracy" to those nations.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There is a recurring theme going on here...

Brown and black people are just tools without minds or aspirations of the own. Blacks are tools of the Democrats because they get free stuff, and Arabs and Egyptians are just tools of big oil.
Do the egyptians come across as people who do not have any aspirations?
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:26 AM
 
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Do the egyptians come across as people who do not have any aspirations?
No, they are being led by propaganda from forces outside of Egypt.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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No, they are being led by propaganda from forces outside of Egypt.
Links please.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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No, they are being led by propaganda from forces outside of Egypt.
Like the CIA maybe.....

Once someone gets the messages flying in the social media, the people will willingly distribute it to everyone else.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Like the CIA maybe.....
Yeah an the NGO is one front for them.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...USG_NGOs_5.htm
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Am I the only one who is a bit bored if not irritated by the sheepish unison demands of totally irrelevant foreign ministers that Egypt be peaceful and democratic? It is their country. If they want a civil war there, it is their business and theirs alone. Wtf does Egypt care what a total ******* like Germany's Westerwelle (even gay, as if that gave him any credentials down there ) wants Egypt to be like?!
1. This is typical UN and Diplo speak ..... "be peaceful and democratic".
2. The real concern is the Suez Canal .... there are reports that the Muslim Brothers have threatened to close it down in Feb 2013 with the first of the protests and those calls are growing stronger now.

The Suez Canal is vital for transport - a major Civil War in Egypt is going to center on control of the Suez. This is why Oil prices took a big jump when this latest round of protests started.

Suez Crisis

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Will the Muslim Brotherhood Close the Suez Canal
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Almost immediately after angry Egyptians took to the streets last week, oil jumped to over $100 a barrel. It was the first time oil hit triple digits since the record spike to $147 two years ago. Clearly, investors were spooked at even the thought of a disruption in energy production and shipping.
On Monday, we got a glimpse at one important reason why. A leading Muslim Brotherhood member said the Suez Canal should be immediately shut down.
Muhammad Ghannem made the provocative statement to an Arabic-language Iranian news network.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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Thomas Friedman's view from the NYTimes:

"Two critical questions now hang over Egypt: Will the Egyptian Army, which again revealed itself as the real power broker, insist that the new government be more inclusive than Morsi’s -- and to what end? Egypt will never be stable unless it has a government that represents all the main political forces in the country -- and that still includes the Muslim Brotherhood, which probably still enjoys support from at least 25 percent of the voting public. It has to be part of any new government. But the Egyptian Army has detained many Muslim Brotherhood activists today. Will it allow them to be included in Egypt’s political future? And will the Egyptian army, which has its own vast network of economic interests that it is focused on protecting, open itself up to any reforms?"


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/op...anted=all&_r=0
Egypt is not a mystery to Thomas Friedman - he is perfectly aware that the Egyptian Army has always been the main power broker in Egypt (prefers ruling from the rear). I don't think the Army cares who leads as long as their power structure (and wealth) is not disturbed (which the MB was doing).

After Mubarak "stepped down" (soft coup by the Army to keep the Mubarak son from the Presidency), the Army was perfectly aware that the Muslim Brothers would gain the Parliament and maybe even the Presidency if they contested it (which they promised not to do and did anyway). The Muslim Brotherhood was the ONLY organized political group in Egypt except for the Mubarak party.

The Army wants Stability and no interest in dealing with Egypt's economic Mess - they do want the Muslim Brothers, but want them to play nice. Offers were open to the MB during all negotiations (which started before Christmas and escalated) but they didn't get any cooperation - the Muslim Brothers take the "My way or the Highway" viewpoint ever since they "won" the elections. The bad news is that the MB & Morsi are refusing to accept the "coup", refusing to talk to any of the opposition or Army AND they are making a lot of wild threats .... blood in the streets and worse. The world is shocked, shocked I tell you .... that the Army would be arresting MB leaders who are making threats of bloodshed and war - those same leaders are claiming they will die before they will join the new Government.

The MB attitude surprises me a bit - I thought they were smart enough to not try and incite a Civil War (which they will surely lose). They apparently have "hopes" that the UN, USA, Foreign Powers and their own supporters can get them back into office.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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So today the pro-Morsi people staged a protest.
What happened ?

Why the army opened fire into the crowd, that's what happened.
First a coup and then shooting down protesters.
Someone told the army that the Islamists cannot get back into power there.

News from The Associated Press

Army troops opened fire Friday on protesters demanding the reinstatement of toppled President Mohammed Morsi, killing at least one, as supporters of the Islamist leader rallied across Egypt chanting "Down with military rule!"
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