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Old 07-03-2013, 11:02 AM
 
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We should all learn a lesson from how easy it is for the military to over throw a democratically elected government when the populace is unarmed.
What..?

WHAT?

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

The populace WANTS Morsi to leave. 22 MILLION people out of the 84 million signed a petition against Morsi staying in power.

This has nothing to do with the populace being unarmed. The Egyptian people WANT Morsi to get out of power. Do you have any clue how bad they have it there? They barely have electricity, water or the slightest bit of economy because of the insane madman and-legall-he should've been disposed of but he doesn't want to leave his position. The Army is doing the democratic thing when they are trying to dispose of someone who wants to remain in power after most of the populace protested against him.

Seriously, you have no clue what's going on so please don't make statements like that. The last thing the Arab world needs is more incorrect reports in the media.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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So far ..... the Muslim Brotherhood is refusing to even talk to the opposition or the Military.
Morsi refuses to step down - the "deadline" from the Military was ignored by Morsi, and is over.
The Military has not made any announcements yet.

Reports are that there is a Travel Ban on Morsi, leaders of the MB and a couple of clerics
Sources: Morsy, Badie, and Shater banned from traveling

also ...... (I knew this from reports a couple of days ago from bloggers)
The Military has taken control of the Media - TV.
Egyptian army secures state TV studios
The TV stations are airing as usual. Maybe the military is securing the buildings from attempts by the MB to shut them down?

My husband told me that a few days ago several high level members of the MB were stopped at the airport and prevented from travelling. (See link below) Seems the higher ups are on the run.

More on the MB and Wasat Party members prevented from travelling:

Brotherhood, Wasat party leaders banned from travel | Egypt Independent

The Wasat headquarters was also fire bombed by protesters.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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They are "upset" about a lot more than just the really horrible economic troubles and corruption. They are very concerned about the Morsi/Muslim Brotherhood total power grab.

You can call it a coup if you like - the Military has clearly stepped in, BUT - if they wanted a Military Rule in Egypt, they would have done that when Mubarak was deposed.

The Military has been holding meetings with all the relevant players (Muslim Brothers, Freedom & Justice Party and Morsi refused to attend) - they will work out some sort of power sharing and a date for a new election and probably another Constitutional convention.

It's important to note that the people on the street (with the exception of those in power today) want the Military to take this action. They want some stability and things worked better when the Military had some control. Things have gotten progressively worse under the Morsi/MB regime.
On CNN they are saying that a poll showed over 80 % of Egyptians are in favor of what they are calling "the invited coup."
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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So Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood didn't deliver on the reforms that were promised. Is that why? Or do people object to the Muslim Brotherhood's ideology or their leadership or what?
Originally, the Muslim Brotherhood used the threat of 'God's wrath' over the illiterate population, claiming that not voting for them will earn you a spot in hell and started bribing the poor into voting for them. So a lot of the intellectuals claimed that they were cheating at the elections.

When Morsi rose to power the economy was destroyed. At least during Mubarak (who robbed Egypt) electricity and water weren't being cut off every day.

The economy is awful, the people are suffering and worst of all, the Egyptian Brotherhood is committing acts which seem religiously, politically and morally wrong to the people.

For example, you know the guy that killed Anwar Al Sadat? They let him out of jail. And the ministor of tourism? He was a terrorist accused of blowing up the bus of Israelis in Sinai.

They're radical and half the protestors are protesting against their ideologies (Copts, intellectuals etc..) the other half is protesting against the undelivered promises and ruining the nation.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Why would you think that?

Did we give a rat's ass about the peoples' right to determine when we helped unset the elected Allende to put the POS Pinochet in his place?

The history of our 'do gooding' over the long run isn't so hot.
Well, could be we have a President that actually believes in Democracy.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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Egyptian press is saying Morsi is under "house arrest"

'Egypt after Morsi' roadmap in the works:

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Informed sources tell Ahram Online that a change in power will occur this afternoon from the presidency of President Mohamed Morsi to a new “participatory transitional phase which will not exclude leading names of political Islam.â€
An announcement should be expected “around 3:30,†according to one source. He declined to say whether the statement would be read by an army spokesman, by Minister of Defence Abdel-Fattah El-Sissi, or by an opposition figure in conjunction with a military figure. This and other matters are currently being discussed over the next few hours.

The key point, identical sources said, is that the Morsi presidency is coming to an end; the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood “will not be allowed to incite a civil war – nor will anyone else.†In addition, the source added, a new government – without a military head and with no military participation, save the defence minister – will be announced, and a three day curfew will be introduced if needed.(more at link)
The article says the MB stopped Morsi from working with the Military on a solution.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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But the people elected Morsi. They are now unhappy because of all the corruption and economic troubles. Once the military retakes control in a coup the same people will start complaining about how bad they are.
Ah, the military took the same postion during the transition between Mubarak and the general election that Morsi and his Freedom and Justice Party barely won. It was Morsi's decrees that removed judicial review and the stacking of the Constituent Assembly that led to the present crisis along with the deteriorating economic conditions. In the ensuing instability the military has again stepped in to end the violence. Time will tell what course Egypt will take, but anyone here who thinks they know how this will work out is full of it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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What..?

WHAT?

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

The populace WANTS Morsi to leave. 22 MILLION people out of the 84 million signed a petition against Morsi staying in power.

This has nothing to do with the populace being unarmed. The Egyptian people WANT Morsi to get out of power. Do you have any clue how bad they have it there? They barely have electricity, water or the slightest bit of economy because of the insane madman and-legall-he should've been disposed of but he doesn't want to leave his position. The Army is doing the democratic thing when they are trying to dispose of someone who wants to remain in power after most of the populace protested against him.

Seriously, you have no clue what's going on so please don't make statements like that. The last thing the Arab world needs is more incorrect reports in the media.
We have a saying: elections have consequences. If they did not like the guy and his agenda then they should not have voted for him and his constitution. Democracies don't work when the military overthrows a democratically elected government. A majority of Americans would like to get rid of Obama too and the military certainly would. But we don't do that in a democracy. The Arabs have a long way to go to catch up with the rest of the democratic world.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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As people all over the ME are finding out..sometimes the dictator you know is better than the dictator you don't know.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:15 AM
 
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Originally, the Muslim Brotherhood used the threat of 'God's wrath' over the illiterate population, claiming that not voting for them will earn you a spot in hell and started bribing the poor into voting for them. So a lot of the intellectuals claimed that they were cheating at the elections.

When Morsi rose to power the economy was destroyed. At least during Mubarak (who robbed Egypt) electricity and water weren't being cut off every day.

The economy is awful, the people are suffering and worst of all, the Egyptian Brotherhood is committing acts which seem religiously, politically and morally wrong to the people.

For example, you know the guy that killed Anwar Al Sadat? They let him out of jail. And the ministor of tourism? He was a terrorist accused of blowing up the bus of Israelis in Sinai.

They're radical and half the protestors are protesting against their ideologies (Copts, intellectuals etc..) the other half is protesting against the undelivered promises and ruining the nation.
OK, thanks, that helps me getting a clearer picture.
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