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Old 07-05-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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I did notice something funny about this study The Politics of Giving - How America Gives - The Chronicle of Philanthropy- Connecting the nonprofit world with news, jobs, and ideas

Did you notice that the #1 state was Utah? Do you think the fact that the Mormon Church is in Utah has anything to do with it? Also, Utah is a low population state, which means that the study isn't normalized for population. I would think that if one added up all the contributions that liberals gave in MA they'd dwarf Utah.

Also, don't delude yourself into thinking that charity by conservatives benefits the poor. Conservatives tend to donate to things like churches, art museums, symphony, their alma mater, rather than to food banks, homeless shelters and medical clinics.
A dollar to a charity goes 3x as far as a dollar of federal funding. Do you seriously think that churches don't help the poor? When you look at the study below, you will see that only 8% of charitable givings go towards religious institutions, and then they only track the dollars that go towards the aid of the poor.

http://www.philanthropy.iupui.edu/fi..._july_2007.pdf

In terms of absolute dollars, conservatives give 30% more than liberals, so your argument about Utah is unfounded. 71 percent of Christian families give to non religious charities whereas only 61 percent of atheists families give to non religious charities, so your argument that conservatives give to charities that don't benefit the poor is very unfounded. There is no study to date that shows liberals as giving more of their own personal money to help the poor than conservatives.
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:00 PM
 
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Just putting someone with any kind of mental illness on welfare isn't solving the problem, with all the new medications and therapies, many should be able to perform some kind of work. Work and staying productive are actually good therapy in themselves and better than laying around doing nothing.

Suicide is way up in the last couple of years, it doesn't seem that having liberals in power and obamacare are helping. Suicide rates have gone up significantly for women.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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This has been happening in America for at least thirty years. What a ridiculous farce to try to claim it has suddenly started happening during the current administration. The reality is that the big change in this regard happened in between 1982 and 1985.[Source: Matt Birchenough]

It's amazing how far some will stoop to try to make a bogus comment they're expressing seem valid.
If you've seen most of my political posts you'd see I am critical of both liberal and conservative ideologies.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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X2, The thread topic is a lie and should be named "The reality of the right wing policies" Reagan slashed funding for mental health substantially and the right wingers have been following suit since.

After their years of attacks, in this day unless you have a rolls royce medical plan, you can go to hell if you have mental issues.

Thanks GOP!
Please educate yourself and read the following-

Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder » Publications » The Federalist Society
In the 1960s, the United States embarked on an innovative approach to caring for its mentally ill: deinstitutionalization. The intentions were quite humane: move patients from long-term commitment in state mental hospitals into community-based mental health treatment. Contrary to popular perception, California Governor Ronald Reagan’s signing of the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act of 1967 was only one small part of a broad-based movement, starting in the late 1950s. The Kennedy Administration optimistically described how the days of long-term treatment were now past; newly-developed drugs such as chlorpromazine meant that two-thirds of the mentally ill "could be treated and released within 6 months."

At about the same time, two different ideas came to the forefront of American progressive thinking: that there was a right to mental health treatment, and a right to a more substantive form of due process for those who were to be committed to a mental hospital. If there was a right to mental health treatment, then judges could use the threat of releasing patients as a way to force reluctant legislatures to increase funding for treatment.

What changed in the 1960s was the result of ACLU attorneys such as Bruce J. Ennis, who claimed that less than 5 percent of mental hospital patients “are dangerous to themselves or to others” and that the rest were improperly locked up “because they are useless, unproductive, ‘odd,’ or ‘different.’”
More: Deinstitutionalization - Special Reports | The New Asylums | FRONTLINE | PBS
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:09 PM
 
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Please educate yourself and read the following-
I agree, please do. We are talking about President Reagan, not him signing a bill when he was governor in the 60's,....

Within 30 days of taking office, Pres. Reagan, in conjunction with the office of budget management, announced it would cut the funding of the National Institute of Mental Health, a division of the National Institute of Health since 1947, formed specifically to deal with these issues. Then in 1982, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act was created, and the Mental Health Systems Act was merged into it. This dissected the programs into block grants, with less federal money earmarked for the states. The states then exerted discretionary control over the use of the funds, using them as they saw fit, creating the Ronald Reagan concept of “new federalism.”

Mental Disorders and Gun Violence In The US: Blame Ronald Reagan | Las Vegas Guardian Express
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