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I never said anyone was told to have an abortion.
Government sanctioned abortion is a form a population control, an acceptable one as it becomes normalized and the stigma is removed.
"Government sanctioned abortion"? Just because there are regulations in place to keep it safe and accessible? Peculiar.
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Are you a doctor ? I ask because you said "our view" which would indicate you are part of the medical community.
I meant the current medical and scientific community at large, the people in the know who do the research and have the experience.
More faux outrage. One girl said "hail satan" at the end, in response to the group singing Amazing Grace and some guy shouting hallelujah. She does not constitute the entire group, and you can't even make out what the rest of the pro-life crowd is saying. And if you folks care so much about freedom, why do you have an issue with her saying "hail satan" but you have no problem with the man saying "hallelujah"? That whole freedom of speech thing works both ways, it's not just for the people that you agree with. Some people would view a religious crowd standing outside the State Capitol singing hymns and shouting hallelujah as being "loons."
Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism (nor boycott). Freedom of speech is a legal protection in the United States that says one can express themselves (unless they are actively trying to incite the violent overthrow of the government, or falsely screaming fire in a theater) without being subject o arrest by the police for expressing themselves.
There's some limitations placed on expressions though. You can't usually walk around naked outside and content regarded as pornographic are not allowed on day time TV.
But if you scream "N____er!" or "Hail Satan!" you can be subject to criticism from those that disagree with you. You might fired from a job. Or your products (if you're selling any) may be boycotted.
Whether or not one believes in Satan the character of Satan represents evil.
Satanism itself promotes carnal pleasure, not turning the other cheek but ripping off the other cheek, doing no harm to anyone unless he trespasses onto your lair, and the weak are her to justify the strong. At least, this is what I was told by someone that was a member of the Church of Satan. He also said they see no reason the disabled or mentally retarded are allowed to live. Basically, they would round all them up and execute them I guess.
But if you scream "N____er!" or "Hail Satan!" you can be subject to criticism
from those that disagree with you. You might fired from a job. Or your products
(if you're selling any) may be boycotted.
By the same token, if a bunch of bangers stand outside an abortion clinic, waving their arms heavenward to be even closer to an imaginary deity while singing "Amazing Grace", they can be subject to criticism.
Yet, you cannot deny the definition of infanticide.
Nice try at deflection.
Yank the fetus and see if it survives on its own - no heroic measures.
There's your answer.
"Yank the fetus"? Man, do I feel all warm n fuzzy now. That's, possibly, the warmest, most compassionate, statement I have yet seen here. Whenever tbe issue of abortion comes up, it sure do seem to bring out the best in folks. I have never seen anything like it. Attracts the finest people to it's respective camps. This, quoted post, represents the best that one side has to offer, and one not need look to far to see similar offerings from the other.
That said, Chiegirl, are you actually capable of performing, or even witnessing, an act such as you describe? I really have my doubts. If you had ever been exposed to death and mayhem for real, you would not be so quick to make such statements.
I don't come down on one side or the other, publically, on this issue. However, I do find the "pro choice"types camp to be far more abrasive in it's methodology and things that get said, merely for shock factor. I am not delving into anything further, here, than which side is more verbally offensive. When I read stuff like "yank the fetus" "toss it and see if it survives on its own"....I just cringe. I mean, what possible reason is there for being that crass?
I tend to think of myself as being a pretty hardy guy. I have had to do things and see things, in my life, that were very very nasty to deal with. So, when someone starts slinging around terminology that makes light of brutallity and lack of human decency, its easy for me to find contempt for the side showcasing it. In other words, if there is an "arguement" in there, you lost.
that woman has a right to be a dumb-ass. Or do you want to ban that too.
Hate-speech...what are you talking about? What hate speech legislation are you speaking of?
How in the Hell is hail satan...hate speech?
Are you saying that Christains consider hearing Hail satan...hate speech?
Well... the character of Satan hates humans. The character of Satan is thoroughly anti-anthropocentric. The character of Satan despises most of all the Virgin Mary not only because of her humanity but because she is female and the character of God in the narrative is said to have placed her above him.
It's been clear to me for sometime that members of the Church of Satan infiltrated and gained control of the Democratic Party for sometime. They secretly run that party as far as I'm concerned. I don't think atheists run the Democratic Party although they are present in it as well as a lot of agnostics and Christians being in that party. But the party has a pretty Satanic religious theme to it--not an atheist one.
A true atheist should be indifferent to the artistic image or narrative of the Virgin Mary. The Satanic have a great emotional investment against her and undertake religious blaspheme.
Satan also hates the narrative of the unborn child and hope. Because it's a Christian narrative of Christ.
Fundamentally Satan hates humans in part because humans are biological products and not non-corporal beings.
And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; on your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all the days of your life: 15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.
Bold and underlined my emphasis.
The character of Satan--if one is to speak of him as a product of creative writing, a work of fiction--does not like being depicted beneath a human let alone a human that is female.
So, the Democrats behind blasphemy, taking a clear religious viewpoint, are not atheists. Their chosen target would suggest the ancient Christian nemesis of Satanists.
Because Satan--as a character of fiction or not--hates humans, he would be a promoter of more abortions among humans.
He took particular offence to Mr Ofili's The Holy Virgin Mary, which depicts Mary with dark skin, African features and flowing robes. It also features elephant dung and cut-outs from pornographic magazines.
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"It's not appropriate to penalise and punish an institution such as the Brooklyn Museum," she said.
But she added that she "would not go to see" The Holy Virgin Mary and said she shared "the feeling that I know many New Yorkers have that there are parts of this exhibit that would be deeply offensive".
Her actual public speech to cheering New Yorkers, was more zealot and jihadist in using public money to protect blaspheming the Virgin Mary. The promotion of Satanism that is.
She went 360 degrees when a small Protestant pastor was going to commit blasphemy against Islam on his own dime by burning Korans.
Stepping on the U.S flag or burning the Bible or Koran are protected under U.S. Freedom of Speech.
A public institution that uses tax dollars shouldn't be engaged in religious blaspheme or promoting the agenda of those that bow before Satan. And Hillary Clinton may not be a member of the Church of Satan but whoever it is behind the curtains that she serves sure does worship Satan.
By the same token, if a bunch of bangers stand outside an abortion clinic, waving their arms heavenward to be even closer to an imaginary deity while singing "Amazing Grace", they can be subject to criticism.
I never said they couldn't and they frequently are criticized.
My response was to a person suggesting Satanism and Satanists ought be afforded special treatment, that is free from criticism, under U.S. freedom of speech.
That is complete nonsense. If someone does not believe in the devil, then the devil is nothing to that person. It does not exist. It only exists for you because you do believe in it. For you to claim otherwise insinuates that your personal beliefs are complete truth and everyone else is just ignorant and blind to that truth.
Unless it does exist. Like intelligent life on other planets. I may not think their likelihood exists. However, if they do exist my non-belief in them does not change that.
If Satan exists then not believing in his existence will not protect you against him.
If Satan does not exist then not believing in his existence is not problem.
The little twit of a girl - trying to be cool..Let social collapse come..let famine prevail...let those who are free sit in camps and languish in chains...let this little twit be starve down to 60 lbs...and than see if the smart ass is going to chant - hail satan? Spoiled first worlder.
Why is it more "loony" to chant for one mythical being than for another? I don't get it - both are fictional.
What's next? Crazy people getting upset about others chanting "Superman?"
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