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Old 07-04-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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then what are you talking about?

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I'm shocked and surprised.

That can only also mean that (in your OP) you are not sure what the word "all" means.


No.

I'm not.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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giving tax money back to allow people a choice in their lives is the best thing the government can do but liberals hate that because it means less control over the masses.
And now the furious backpedaling begins.

That is not "giving tax money back." It is redistributing wealth.

I thought you guys hated that?

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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The way vouchers work for the most part is everyone gets money back from the government.



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And now the furious backpedaling begins.

That is not "giving tax money back." It is redistributing wealth.

I thought you guys hated that?

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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then what are you talking about?
I think that the religion you practice and fund is best left as a private decision than a government one.

Don't you?

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The way vouchers work for the most part is everyone gets money back from the government.
You clearly have no idea whatsoever "how vouchers work."
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I'm done with this thread. It's like torturing a kitten.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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so back your meme up with facts?
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You haven't provided any at all.

This is just frantic constant straw-man arguing, which I guess worked pretty well when you were arguing with the voices in your head...but against real people it's just making you look like a fool. I have seldom seen such delusional hatred. Go take this day of rest and be with your family and friends, instead of spending it trying to pick fights that only make you look like an idiot.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:14 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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really? give me an example and why?
give you examples of what ?

you asked a question and you got a response that we liberals dont do it .
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:21 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The way vouchers work for the most part is everyone gets money back from the government.
Vouchers are usually only give to a select few, and that money is taken away from the school system itself.

to give you an example of how vouchers suck....

A upper middle class kid goes to a failing school, he/she drives to school, participate in no sports, pays full price for lunch and has their own computer. the cost to educate this kid is only 3,000 dollars because of it.

A poor kid goes to the same school, rides the bus, eats on reduced lunch, uses school computers, plays sports and participates in school clubs... cost to educate is 14,000 dollars.

when vouchers are offered the poor kid is allowed to get one, but doesnt have transportation to the new school where as the middle class kid does, BUT instead of the middle class kid only getting 3,000 dollars, they get the average of all students (or what ever the government claims is a good amount)

for example lets say that is 8,000 dollars. so now the average spread around the kids who need to money is less and they are hurt for it, because that may mean cutting out the good programs or computers.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Vouchers are usually only give to a select few, and that money is taken away from the school system itself.

to give you an example of how vouchers suck....

A upper middle class kid goes to a failing school, he/she drives to school, participate in no sports, pays full price for lunch and has their own computer. the cost to educate this kid is only 3,000 dollars because of it.

A poor kid goes to the same school, rides the bus, eats on reduced lunch, uses school computers, plays sports and participates in school clubs... cost to educate is 14,000 dollars.

when vouchers are offered the poor kid is allowed to get one, but doesnt have transportation to the new school where as the middle class kid does, BUT instead of the middle class kid only getting 3,000 dollars, they get the average of all students (or what ever the government claims is a good amount)

for example lets say that is 8,000 dollars. so now the average spread around the kids who need to money is less and they are hurt for it, because that may mean cutting out the good programs or computers.
It's not the kid that gets the Fed money..it's the school.
Title 1 schools get more money.
The really bad ones use that money to hire security and/or teacher assistants so there are two adults in each classroom. Others hire community relations people, parent assistants that take the kids to the doctor, etc. during school hours. Most of that extra money goes to social and security issues.

I'm in Title 1 schools and have been in several over the past several years.
I've seen all the above being practiced at these schools.

You take the kid out of that environment and put them in a safer, more academically inclined environment and you don't need all that "extra" money. The kid is better off in the long run.

Money doesn't solve your problems here. The actual problems are occurring outside of the school and schools are using to the money to deal with the problems, not solve them.

There is a lot of technology in schools gotten by grants. Getting a grant has become such a big thing to schools that they have full time grant writers employed by districts and individual schools. That is this person's full time job..finding and applying for grants.
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