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Old 07-04-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Why do you hate the idea of allowing health plans compete across state lines?
Why do you feel children should be made to go to public schools even if the public school in their
area is a total mess ( i.e. Philadelphia ).
If you are so concerned about freedom, why not let the people decide what is best for their lives?
I assume you'll be posing that question to our Republican lawmakers in Texas who are on their second special session trying to ram draconian anti-abortion legislation down our throats by regulating abortion clinics?
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Old 07-04-2013, 05:45 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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It's not the kid that gets the Fed money..it's the school.
Title 1 schools get more money.
The really bad ones use that money to hire security and/or teacher assistants so there are two adults in each classroom. Others hire community relations people, parent assistants that take the kids to the doctor, etc. during school hours. Most of that extra money goes to social and security issues.

I'm in Title 1 schools and have been in several over the past several years.
I've seen all the above being practiced at these schools.

You take the kid out of that environment and put them in a safer, more academically inclined environment and you don't need all that "extra" money. The kid is better off in the long run.

Money doesn't solve your problems here. The actual problems are occurring outside of the school and schools are using to the money to deal with the problems, not solve them.

There is a lot of technology in schools gotten by grants. Getting a grant has become such a big thing to schools that they have full time grant writers employed by districts and individual schools. That is this person's full time job..finding and applying for grants.
dont be stupid, the money is used to educate the kid, yes there is mismanagement in some schools, but stop pretending like every school in a bad community or just failing school in general are so because of bad money mismanagement, some schools in this nation are legitimately underfunded.

It also isnt "extra" money . My scenario clearly shows how the amount of money used to educate a child and give them academic opportunities can very greatly and vouchers because they are usually either an arbitrary allotted amount or a per student cost average screw those who's education cost the most and dont have transportation, and help those who's education cost the least . The kids left behind after "voucherization" are the ones who were already the worst off and no have it even worse.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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Conservatives, why do you feel that lying about liberals is the only way to win arguments?
I would also like an answer to this one. I can't answer the question in the OP because it simply isn't true and just silly. Any one who wanted to have an adult conversation wouldn't start out this way. This is the norm from the right and they believe that insulting people will get them ahead.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Workplace injuries used to be commonly caused by bad operations which were going to have an unusual amount of terrible injuries and deaths. We rectified that , and the biggest driver was corps want lower insurance costs, so we have in place a free market incentive to promote workplace safety.
News to me.

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The fire at Triangle Waist Company on March 25, 1911 is widely considered a pivotal moment in history, leading to the transformation of the labor code of New York State and to the adoption of fire safety measures that served as a model for the whole country.
Instrumental in this transformation was the work of the New York Factory Investigative Commission, which wrote thirty-six of the new labor related bills that the state legislature eventually adopted.
Also significant is the work of local governmental agencies and unions, which adopted fire safety measures and monitored conditions in factories.
I'd say a big driver was the deaths of 146 people locked in a burning building.


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Old 07-05-2013, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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because killing inborn babies is ok?

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I assume you'll be posing that question to our Republican lawmakers in Texas who are on their second special session trying to ram draconian anti-abortion legislation down our throats by regulating abortion clinics?
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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wow. its funny how you accuse the right of the very things the left does.
Don't project much do you?

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I would also like an answer to this one. I can't answer the question in the OP because it simply isn't true and just silly. Any one who wanted to have an adult conversation wouldn't start out this way. This is the norm from the right and they believe that insulting people will get them ahead.
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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no no no no! Let me explain it to you more simply since you are still drunk with the Obama Kool-aid.
Giving the tax payers like you and me, average people, their tax money back so THEY can spend it as they see fit for THEIR benefit instead of the liberals in government spending it on failed programs.



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Prove this. All the arguments I see against the corporate welfare you support involve either less money being left for the public schools and the poorer students who use them. Or they involve the fact that this is corporate welfare; why is it up to your government to provide customers to these private schools? Or that quality of these private schools will drop because they won't be allowed to tune their student body such that only students who score high are admitted. There are others, but these are the ones that come to mind.

But I've never seen one that states liberals oppose school vouchers because it means less control over the masses. Could you provide me with whatever it is that led you to believe this is the case? Because it sounds like another of the silly claims so many right-wingers make here regarding "what liberals think" to me. Which is to say, mindless drivel.
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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The Catholic faith? You obviously know nothing of faith.
People are allowed and supposed to express their faith openly.

If faith offends you, I can find many other things expressed openly in the public square the should be left in the privacy of peoples bedrooms.


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I think that the religion you practice and fund is best left as a private decision than a government one.

Don't you?

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Old 07-05-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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The Catholic faith? You obviously know nothing of faith.
People are allowed and supposed to express their faith openly.

If faith offends you, I can find many other things expressed openly in the public square the should be left in the privacy of peoples bedrooms.
Read that poster's comment again, this time more slowly... he/she isn't saying it should be "kept at home," they're saying it's a private issue as opposed to a government one. They said nothing about expressing your faith in public, just that financially & legally speaking it shouldn't be regulated/supported by the government.

I don't know a single liberal who opposes religious freedom, and being allowed to express that religion in public. Matter of fact, most of the liberals I know ARE religious themselves... you do realize around 70% of American Jews vote Democrat, and probably close to half of Christians & Catholics do too? I'm more of an Independent-Libertarian myself, but left leaning on social issues, and I am a practicing (Reform) Jew.
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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because killing inborn babies is ok?
What's an "inborn baby?" Is that like an ingrown toenail? Ouch.

If you really want to have the abortion debate, I think we have many threads you can piggyback or read... but the issue is government control, and those Texas abortion laws (proposals) were the exact opposite of "letting people do what's best for them." Not to mention, a waste of time and money.
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