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Old 07-05-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I’ve hear the Prosecutor make 2-3 claims that are outright lies from the evidence presented in the case. That cannot be accidental.

If I was on the jury I would be highly insulted.
Admittedly, I dozed and walked the dog, so I missed some stuff, but I don't think the jury is present for this snafu.

 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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Zimmerman was not the police, he only thought he was.
I'll give you one reply today, OK?

That's the states case. They are saying that because of Zim's "police training" he committed the crime. You can not see the fallacy in that?
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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What's her name, Wanda Sykes could play DeeDee. She's got the same mouth.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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Default For those who Don't believe it was self defense

Do you think the prosecution proved murder 2 with proof beyond a reasonable doubt ?

Murder 2 --- An unlawful killing [not justifiable self defense] by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life

An "act" includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose.

An act is "imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind" if it is an act or series of acts that:

1. a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and

2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and

3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.

It is not necessary for the state to prove the defendant had an intent to cause death.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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You're forgetting that Zimmerman claims he didn't know he'd killed Martin so, if he was screaming for help, why would he quit yelling for help when the gun went off?
Because Martin lost power and was no longer pinning Zimmerman down and bashing his head.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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Oh stop the drama. No attorney is going to outright lie to the court and lose their Bar license. You've been ranting on here all afternoon like you're about ready to jump off a bridge. The Jury is not hearing this legal argument.

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I’ve hear the Prosecutor make 2-3 claims that are outright lies from the evidence presented in the case. That cannot be accidental.

If I was on the jury I would be highly insulted.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Jackie Chan for ME!!!
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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Martin had a right to defend himself just as much as Zimmerman. All Zimmerman had to do was one of two things: stay in the car if he really was as afraid of Martin as he told the police he was or tell Martin he was the neighborhood watch guy and ask him what he was doing around there. There is no evidence whatsoever that Martin would not have respected that authority. Zimmerman never gave him the chance.

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Because Martin lost power and was no longer pinning Zimmerman down and bashing his head.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:46 PM
 
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You Zimmerman supporters say the prosecutions got nothing yet when posters like myself and Carolac spell out what they have, you don't reply. So you don't seem to have valid arguments. Either that or you only read your own posts.


Any of these points that any of you choose to refute?:

Why did the screaming stop right when the shot got fired? Why would Zimmerman be screaming as he was reaching and maneuvering and pointing the gun? Why was there no muffling of the screams at any point, or right before the shot since at that point Zimmerman claimed Trayvon's full body weight was on the hands pressed against Zimmerman's face?

In Zimmerman's account to his best friend, he swore that he was attempting to scoot off the sidewalk as Trayvon was above him with his knees to Zimmerman's armpits yet at the same time Trayvon supposedly noticed the gun and went for it, which is physically impossible. Trayvon would have had to have had eyes at the back of his head and reach behind him to get the gun.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:46 PM
 
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Do you think the prosecution proved murder 2 with proof beyond a reasonable doubt ?

Murder 2 --- An unlawful killing [not justifiable self defense] by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life

An "act" includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose.

An act is "imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind" if it is an act or series of acts that:

1. a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and

2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and

3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.

It is not necessary for the state to prove the defendant had an intent to cause death.
Depraved Mind...evil intent...

Absolutely not...

But what about hatred?

He hated petty criminals...and he perceived Martin to be one, no?
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