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For not knowing a lot for certain, would you still be willing to convict? With so many questions and few facts would you be willing to say Guilty on 2nd degree murder?
Given that in Florida the definition of 2nd degree murder is :
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
I think at this point there is reasonable doubt as to the "depraved mind" aspect, but then again that is the part of the definition that is least clear to me.
Maybe a manslaughter conviction would be more suitable.
No, and partly because you are assuming that TM spent a prolonged period of time inflicting injuries on GZ, and I don't agree. There is no evidence that Trayvon spent any substantial length of time beating Zimmerman, or "inflicting injuries" on Zimmerman.
All of Zimmerman's injuries could be from being punched on the nose, and his head hitting the pavement, and maybe a few seconds of tussling. John Good saw a few seconds of the fight, and later conceded that it may not even have been punches that he saw. We have no evidence other than Zimmerman's story that Trayvon was ever trying to smother him and his supposed cries.
We simply do not know the details of the struggle, except for Zimmerman's version, and Trayvon cannot speak. We only have Zimmerman's word that upon meeting up with Trayvon that he reached for his phone, and not his gun. Why would he emphasize that he didn't even know he had his gun on him, until Trayvon saw it and starting reaching for it? Which of course puts the emphasis on Trayvon for escalating a fist fight into a mortal struggle, and the "tonight's your night to die ***"---again he had to emphasize so much that Trayvon intended to kill him.
I don't believe Zimmerman was screaming for help. I think by the time we hear the shrieks, the gun was in play somehow, maybe Trayvon desperately trying to restrain Zimmerman from reaching his gun.
It is also suspect that George states he never leaves home without wearing his gun...Hannity interview....Then, besides not knowing the street, when there were only two others besides his street in the whole complex...He "forgot" he had his gun on him....Just doesn't jive.
I've watched almost all of the state's case and still have absolutely no idea what their version of events is supposed to be. Even in their arguing against the JOA, they still didn't give any theory whatsoever about what happened.
I know George took some criminal justice classes several years ago. I know he once rode along with the police. I know he once applied to be a policeman, in another state. I know he called NEN, and that he got out of the car. After that, I know he shot Trayvon. And the state proved that Trayvon was on top of him hitting him at some point. They even managed to prove that Trayvon hit Zimmerman's head against concrete.
None of those separate items dispute Zimmerman's statement of events. I would put more weight on inconsistencies, but both detectives said they didn't find the inconsistencies to be concerning. And those still don't give an alternate theory of the event.
The prosecution has given us a lot of innuendo and proven some facts consistent with Zimmerman's account. They never, throughout their entire 2 weeks, gave us a alternative theory for what happened that made it 2nd degree murder.
No, and partly because you are assuming that TM spent a prolonged period of time inflicting injuries on GZ, and I don't agree. There is no evidence that Trayvon spent any substantial length of time beating Zimmerman, or "inflicting injuries" on Zimmerman.
All of Zimmerman's injuries could be from being punched on the nose, and his head hitting the pavement, and maybe a few seconds of tussling. John Good saw a few seconds of the fight, and later conceded that it may not even have been punches that he saw. We have no evidence other than Zimmerman's story that Trayvon was ever trying to smother him and his supposed cries.
We simply do not know the details of the struggle, except for Zimmerman's version, and Trayvon cannot speak. We only have Zimmerman's word that upon meeting up with Trayvon that he reached for his phone, and not his gun. Why would he emphasize that he didn't even know he had his gun on him, until Trayvon saw it and starting reaching for it? Which of course puts the emphasis on Trayvon for escalating a fist fight into a mortal struggle, and the "tonight's your night to die ***"---again he had to emphasize so much that Trayvon intended to kill him.
I don't believe Zimmerman was screaming for help. I think by the time we hear the shrieks, the gun was in play somehow, maybe Trayvon desperately trying to restrain Zimmerman from reaching his gun.
Impossible that the gun was in play early on in the screaming. Goode testified the screams were heard long before he went outside. There was no gun in play when he went outside. Don't you think TM would have yelled to Goode about the gun. And why wouldn't he get off and try to get away from the gun. It's fact that when guns come out, people try to get away from them. It is not natural to move toward a gun.I studied that when becoming a licensed self defense firearm instructor.
I hope this defense blows the state to glass.....it would make my year to see JUSTICE SERVED
I do too! I am especially incensed over the distortions the media put out on this case, and the line of incompetent witnesses with no credibility. Good grief - is lying the new normal?
I think if he were being smothered, and he were screaming for help, there would have been breaks in those screams. Trayvon was the one screaming. Like the other poster, I have no doubts that George had his gun pulled much earlier in the true story.
Both George's best friend, and George's Dad have written books, before the trial?? Opportunistic.
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I do too! I am especially incensed over the distortions the media put out on this case, and the line of incompetent witnesses with no credibility. Good grief - is lying the new normal?
In politics, yes and this case is pretty political.
Look at all the politicians that have called for GZ's head. If Obama only had a son.
I've watched almost all of the state's case and still have absolutely no idea what their version of events is supposed to be. Even in their arguing against the JOA, they still didn't give any theory whatsoever about what happened.
I know George took some criminal justice classes several years ago. I know he once rode along with the police. I know he once applied to be a policeman, in another state. I know he called NEN, and that he got out of the car. After that, I know he shot Trayvon. And the state proved that Trayvon was on top of him hitting him at some point. They even managed to prove that Trayvon hit Zimmerman's head against concrete.
None of those separate items dispute Zimmerman's statement of events. I would put more weight on inconsistencies, but both detectives said they didn't find the inconsistencies to be concerning. And those still don't give an alternate theory of the event.
The prosecution has given us a lot of innuendo and proven some facts consistent with Zimmerman's account. They never, throughout their entire 2 weeks, gave us a alternative theory for what happened that made it 2nd degree murder.
Exactly.
If I were to believe the state ... well, I wouldn't know what I'm supposed to believe.
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