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Old 08-09-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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Absolutely. That's why I oppose All limitations on the woman's choice to abort at any time during pregnancy. The 'child' [parasite] is inside the woman's body and living off her [the hostess] nutrients in months 7-9, thus all state regulation until birth should be abolished.
Wow .... I don't think Satan himself (if such an entity actually exists) could have said it better. Parasites! That's what little babies are ... parasites ... feeding off the "hostess" ?

Well you must simply get shivers of ecstasy running up and down your spine when presented with the testimony of abortion clinic workers who tell of the many "daily" abortion procedures that result in a living breathing baby that emerges from the mother, to wit the "doctor" either stabs it in the throat, or soft spot on the skull with a surgical instrument, and sometimes just his thumb ... and occasionally, he just wrings the baby's neck like a chicken, before tossing it into the garbage bag.

I tell you this .... where the human soul resides .... in you, there is one gigantic empty space. And if anyone should want to challenge my contention that the liberal is a self destructive, mentally unstable, morally bankrupt waste of human flesh .... I have you serving as prima fascia evidence supporting my case.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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Wow .... I don't think Satan himself (if such an entity actually exists) could have said it better. Parasites! That's what little babies are ... parasites ... feeding off the "hostess" ?

Well you must simply get shivers of ecstasy running up and down your spine when presented with the testimony of abortion clinic workers who tell of the many "daily" abortion procedures that result in a living breathing baby that emerges from the mother, to wit the "doctor" either stabs it in the throat, or soft spot on the skull with a surgical instrument, and sometimes just his thumb ... and occasionally, he just wrings the baby's neck like a chicken, before tossing it into the garbage bag.

I tell you this .... where the human soul resides .... in you, there is one gigantic empty space. And if anyone should want to challenge my contention that the liberal is a self destructive, mentally unstable, morally bankrupt waste of human flesh .... I have you serving as prima fascia evidence supporting my case.
you have a factual link to support this rant? this crap comes from anti choice folks meant to get gullible people who fall for dramatic unsubstantiated nonsense.

late term abortions is the only abortion where you might actually get a baby that can breathe on it's own, or even have a "neck" to stab or strange like a chicken late term abortions are 1% of all abortions and do not happen "daily"

parasite is a medical term you should get a real education about abortion as it is now you got nothing but lies and fantasy
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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So this is simply to punish a woman.
You're the one who wants to force women to breed against their will.
I believe in cases of rape, that abortion should be an option. This is the only instance where denying a woman an abortion could possibly be considered "forcing her to breed". Those that willingly engage in sex are willingly engaging in the act of breeding .... that is how breeding occurs. By refusing to allow a woman to kill the offspring created by their willing act of "breeding" .... no one has forced her to do anything ... this is simply defending the life of an innocent that didn't ask to be created, but now exists, and deserves equal protection.

By following your line of reasoning ... the father should be able to choose to kill the mother and baby, should he decide that he doesn't want the responsibility of fatherhood and the costs of feeding and caring for both of them. This is the same premise you embrace when it comes to the mother killing the child ... her choice. Then you must realize that as adults who are supposed to possess EQUAL rights ... the father should also have the choice to not be forced to be a father, just as the woman has the right not to be forced to be a mother. There is very little difference in the basic concept of someone possessing the right to choose to kill another living being.

The reality is, killing innocents has never been ANYONE'S "right". For thousands of years, humans have embraced the idea that killing innocents is wrong .... only now have twisted minds created this new idea that killing for convenience is a person's right. It never has been, and never will be true.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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saying yes to sex is not saying yes to pregnancy. men have had sex since the dawn of man without fear of pregnancy, a woman has that same right to engage in sex without consequence.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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If you don't want children, you should not be participating in the activities that produce them.

Also, what does not make sense is that if a woman does not want her baby she can abort it because the left think it is not really a baby, but if the same women is killed in a crime they will try to charge the killer with the death of the same baby.
Right, because a woman chooses to be raped? And what about finding out that giving birth will kill her?

This has nothing to do with killing a baby as you anti-choicers keep saying. It's about control. You want to be able to tell other's what to do. That's why the bulk of anti-choicers are men. Threatened by a woman's sexuality, you figure letting the government legislate the vagina gives you some kind of power seeing how they are now allowed to vote, work, and do everything we guys can. Let go man. The age where you were able to make woman your subservient slaves is gone. For the record, I'm a man. I don't need to dominate a person or animal to show I'm an Alpha. Now I'm going to leave this thread before I drown in the other males insecurity.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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you have a factual link to support this rant? this crap comes from anti choice folks meant to get gullible people who fall for dramatic unsubstantiated nonsense.
You know I do ... you have been presented with this information before. You're fiend ignorance of these FACTS, fails miserably, and is evidence of your DELIBERATE DECEPTION.

Though no additional evidence is needed to reach the conclusion you insist on denying ... as it is contained right there in your own claims .... all one needs is a fundamental grasp of grade school level mathematics.

Here are the raw numbers .... over 1 Million abortions are performed annually (1.21 Million to be precise, but I'll stick to 1 Million, given your obvious trouble with decimal points, let's keep it as simple as possible for you). Taking your 1% claim as accurate (and it is not even close to accurate ... but is way low) that works out to be 10,000 late term abortions performed annually .... 10,000 is 1% of a Million. For those who may be equally challenged in math as you seem to be ... 1% of 1000 is 10 ..... 1% of 10,000 is 100 .. 1% of 100,000 is 1000 .... 1% of 1,000,000 is 10,000. It's a simple matter of moving the decimal point over to the left two places ... and a person with an IQ that is marginally greater than imbecile status should be able to do it without a calculator, if they can count to two.

Now, taking that 10,000 figure and dividing it by the number of days in a year, we have 10,000 divided by 365, which works out to be 27.39 late term abortions each and every day, 365 days a year. Or ... if you like analogies .... 1 Sandy Hook massacre every single day, 365 days per year. That works out to be one living baby having it's neck wrung like a chicken, or brain destroyed with a surgical instrument every hour, 24 hours per day.

Of course, in the following video, we're hearing direct testimony from abortion clinic workers who say that their ONE clinic had around 4 live children killed in this gruesome manner every day, and that better reflects the truth of this despicable and inhuman behavior you support so enthusiastically as "choice".

The real figures are much worse than the 1% ... because at 16 weeks and later, at least 5% of those 1.21 Million abortions take place. 16-17 = 1.9% .... 18-20 weeks 1.8% ... 20 weeks and up 1.3 %.

Here are two photos ... 1 is 16 weeks and the second one 20 weeks:





Notice that the 20 week old "fetus" is sucking his fetal thumb, obviously practicing for his eventual feeding when born. No one with eyes could mistake either of these images as anything other than a human baby ... they certainly are not unrecognizable blobs .. or "parasites". So, lets RECALCULATE using more legitimate figures of 5% .... that equates to 50,000 thumb sucking babies being ripped from the womb, either limb by limb ... or as the following abortion clinic workers reveal, often come out intact, requiring the gentle touch of the doctor's hands to stab it to death or wring it's neck.

That's one baby murdered every 10 minutes, 24 hours a day, 365 days per year, which accounts for the 4 or so that suffer this fate at that ONE SINGLE CLINIC.


Abortion Clinic Employees -- "Babies born alive daily." - YouTube


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late term abortions is the only abortion where you might actually get a baby that can breathe on it's own, or even have a "neck" to stab or strange like a chicken late term abortions are 1% of all abortions and do not happen "daily"
Take a closer look at the 16 week old photo .... I see a neck, as plain as day. Don't you see the neck?


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parasite is a medical term you should get a real education about abortion as it is now you got nothing but lies and fantasy
Sadly, you seem oblivious to your own depraved lack of humanity that is so prominently on exhibit with each and every word you utter on the subject, which is not surprising, since you can't even manage to understand the definition of a simple word like parasite, let alone the moral implications of associating that term with human children.

For your information, the definition reads: parasite: an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

This would necessarily eliminate the child carried by it's mother, since they are obviously of the SAME SPECIES. But such semantic technicalities would be unnecessary if you simply possessed the decency and morality that would automatically reject the idea that a human baby COULD BE analogous to a parasitic creature, like a tape worm, tick, or lice. So, to embrace your mindset requires a great deal of failure in several areas, from lack of conscience and morality, to a lack of grasp of simple math, as well as the English language and definitions of words.

I am so glad that I am not you ... and so sad for you that you are.

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Old 08-09-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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I believe in cases of rape, that abortion should be an option. This is the only instance where denying a woman an abortion could possibly be considered "forcing her to breed". Those that willingly engage in sex are willingly engaging in the act of breeding .... that is how breeding occurs. By refusing to allow a woman to kill the offspring created by their willing act of "breeding" .... no one has forced her to do anything ... this is simply defending the life of an innocent that didn't ask to be created, but now exists, and deserves equal protection.

By following your line of reasoning ... the father should be able to choose to kill the mother and baby, should he decide that he doesn't want the responsibility of fatherhood and the costs of feeding and caring for both of them. This is the same premise you embrace when it comes to the mother killing the child ... her choice. Then you must realize that as adults who are supposed to possess EQUAL rights ... the father should also have the choice to not be forced to be a father, just as the woman has the right not to be forced to be a mother. There is very little difference in the basic concept of someone possessing the right to choose to kill another living being.

The reality is, killing innocents has never been ANYONE'S "right". For thousands of years, humans have embraced the idea that killing innocents is wrong .... only now have twisted minds created this new idea that killing for convenience is a person's right. It never has been, and never will be true.
We are humans, people, supposedly civilized and compassionate. We are not animals in breeding programs that only have sexual relations for the purpose of creating litters for the meat industry. Humans have sex for recreation, not just procreation and I would wager that most people, if not a significant majority have sex more than once a month when a woman is fertile and receptive to getting pregnant. When a woman has the right to say that a man cannot use viagra, get a vasectomy or do any thing he pleases to his body, then maybe men would have a say in what a woman does with hers.

I support abortion, but I will never understand why so many straight people cannot get a handle on their birth control, there are so many options besides abstinence that abortion should be only a last resort and no woman or man who gets pregnant ( men are responsible too ) because they took the risk of not using a form of birth control when they did not want a child, are both irresponsible.
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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You know I do ... you have been presented with this information before. You're fiend ignorance of these FACTS, fails miserably, and is evidence of your DELIBERATE DECEPTION.

Though no additional evidence is needed to reach the conclusion you insist on denying ... as it is contained right there in your own claims .... all one needs is a fundamental grasp of grade school level mathematics.

Here are the raw numbers .... over 1 Million abortions are performed annually (1.21 Million to be precise, but I'll stick to 1 Million, given your obvious trouble with decimal points, let's keep it as simple as possible for you). Taking your 1% claim as accurate (and it is not even close to accurate ... but is way low) that works out to be 10,000 late term abortions performed annually .... 10,000 is 1% of a Million. For those who may be equally challenged in math as you seem to be ... 1% of 1000 is 10 ..... 1% of 10,000 is 1000 .... 1% of 1,000,000 is 10,000. It's a simple matter of moving the decimal point over to the left two places ... and a person with an IQ that is marginally greater than imbecile status should be able to do it without a calculator, if they can count to two.

Now, taking that 10,000 figure and dividing it by the number of days in a year, we have 10,000 divided by 365, which works out to be 27.39 late term abortions each and every day, 365 days a year. Or ... if you like analogies .... 1 Sandy Hook massacre every single day, 365 days per year. That works out to be one living baby having it's neck wrung like a chicken, or brain destroyed with a surgical instrument every hour, 24 hours per day.

Of course, in the following video, we're hearing direct testimony from abortion clinic workers who say that their ONE clinic had around 4 live children killed in this gruesome manner every day, and that better reflects the truth of this despicable and inhuman behavior you support so enthusiastically as "choice".

The real figures are much worse than the 1% ... because at 16 weeks and later, at least 5% of those 1.21 Million abortions take place. 16-17 = 1.9% .... 18-20 weeks 1.8% ... 20 weeks and up 1.3 %.

Here are two photos ... 1 is 16 weeks and the second one 20 weeks:





Notice that the 20 week old "fetus" is sucking his fetal thumb, obviously practicing for his eventual feeding when born. No one with eyes could mistake either of these images as anything other than a human baby ... they certainly are not unrecognizable blobs .. or "parasites". So, lets RECALCULATE using more legitimate figures of 5% .... that equates to 50,000 thumb sucking babies being ripped from the womb, either limb by limb ... or as the following abortion clinic workers reveal, often come out intact, requiring the gentle touch of the doctor's hands to stab it to death or wring it's neck.

That's one baby murdered every 10 minutes, 24 hours a day, 365 days per year, which accounts for the 4 or so that suffer this fate at that ONE SINGLE CLINIC.


Abortion Clinic Employees -- "Babies born alive daily." - YouTube




Take a closer look at the 16 week old photo .... I see a neck, as plain as day. Don't you see the neck?




Sadly, you seem oblivious to your own depraved lack of humanity that is so prominently on exhibit with each and every word you utter on the subject, which is not surprising, since you can't even manage to understand the definition of a simple word like parasite, let alone the moral implications of associating that term with human children.

For your information, the definition reads: parasite: an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

This would necessarily eliminate the child carried by it's mother, since they are obviously of the SAME SPECIES. But such semantic technicalities would be unnecessary if you simply possessed the decency and morality that would automatically reject the idea that a human baby COULD BE analogous to a parasitic creature, like a tape worm, tick, or lice. So, to embrace your mindset requires a great deal of failure in several areas, from lack of conscience and morality, to a lack of grasp of simple math, as well as the English language and definitions of words.

I am so glad that I am not you ... and so sad for you that you are.
Just a correction, your math failed on the 10,000, 1% of 10,000 is 100, not 1000, 1000 would be 10%. So your total would be 2.739, not 27.39. And another just so you know, those aborted kids were unwanted or something was wrong with the pregnancy and if the mother was forced to carry those unwanted kids to term, does not mean they will be wanted, or if put up for adoption, be adopted. If anyone can come up with a good reason for the extra burden impacted on society by adding any of those 40 to 50 million worldwide abortions to an already overwhelmed world incapable of taking care of all the 7.3 billion people it is trying to sustain and show how adding more would benefit the world and the USA, please do show the evidence.
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:33 AM
 
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saying yes to sex is not saying yes to pregnancy. men have had sex since the dawn of man without fear of pregnancy, a woman has that same right to engage in sex without consequence.
Consequence cannot be avoided, as every act produces a consequence. Cause and effect is an inescapable reality that holds true for everyone and everything, including the liberal.

If you drink fluids, the inescapable consequence of peeing is guaranteed. Eating, another similar consequence.

Furthermore, men are not free to engage in sex without consequence either ... doing so often presents risks equal to or greater than the consequences to the women ... they aren't off the hook .. they get to pay for that child for 18-22 years, else be thrown in jail. The woman, on the other hand, can kill the baby before it is born, or simply give it away afterward, totally free of any obligation of support or maintenance of that child to anyone EVER.

So, the woman, in your ideal world has no responsibility or obligation to do anything other than gratify their own sexual urges WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE of any type. This mindset of the liberal who views responsibility as someone else's burden to bear, and never theirs personally, explains the deplorable state of affairs we now suffer socially and economically and spiritually, with such widespread refusal to take responsibility for one's own actions and behavior.

There is a term for this, and it is not "choice" ... it's called being "irresponsible", and wanting others to assume, suffer and pay for your irresponsibility.
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:37 AM
 
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War on women! Girls? Really.
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Girls I've known who've had abortions had them at college age and are now well adjusted middle aged Moms. No horrific psychological problems that haunt them for the rest of their days. Childhood sexual abuse and rape are much more likely to cause long term mental health issues.
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