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A central tenet of fundamentalist Constitutionalists - that you can have an orderly, functional society and also one that can be violently overthrown at any time by mob rule - is contradictory and untenable. It just doesn't work. You can be born of revolution, but you can't make it a matter of sustainable policy.
Governments can be overthrown, but it will look here like it does in Syria, Libya, or Egypt.
That's a steep price to pay. I'm only prepared to pay it if things truly get dire enough, not because some uneducated hillbilly with an internet connection gets disgruntled over small potatoes. We have all reasonable freedoms here that you can expect in any modern first-world nation. I don't care if you have a gun-fondling vendetta against cops or don't like waiting in airport security lines - just suck it up and deal.
This is a hoot. Here we have half a dozen people, sitting and typing at their keyboards, trying to cut down one guy for sitting and typing at his keyboard.
Coincidentally, none of them have succeeded in refuting anything he has said, but concentrate on the aforementioned whining instead. I suspect a connection.
A central tenet of fundamentalist Constitutionalists - that you can have an orderly, functional society and also one that can be violently overthrown at any time by mob rule - is contradictory and untenable. It just doesn't work. You can be born of revolution, but you can't make it a matter of sustainable policy.
You can believe this only if you carefully ignore the Framers who did exactly that.
And if you also ignore that they did it only in the most extraordinary of circumstances: Rampant oppression, a long history of violations of fundamental rights, years of pleas and petitions for redress that went ignored, etc.
It takes a lot of ignorance to maintain this viewpoint. My sympathies.
This is a hoot. Here we have half a dozen people, sitting and typing at their keyboards, trying to cut down one guy for sitting and typing at his keyboard.
Coincidentally, none of them have succeeded in refuting anything he has said, but concentrate on the aforementioned whining instead. I suspect a connection.
There is not much to refute. You have not made the case for why we should start another civil war. It would have to be a damn good one, not just the usual "I'm still all butt-hurt that Obama got reelected."
This is a hoot. Here we have half a dozen people, sitting and typing at their keyboards, trying to cut down one guy for sitting and typing at his keyboard.
Wrong.
You have a half a dozen people, cutting down one poltoonish hypocrite for being all hat and no cattle..
There was a guy who once described a viewpoint as being "a perfect burnished steel ball of stupid, with not a single crack where one could insert the crowbar of reason". Dunno why that came to mind...
Time for another repost, since this lie keeps getting repeated.
1.) The DOI was passed by the Second Continental Congress;
2.) The SCC was a duly empowered lawmaking body, assembled by the legislature of each state to act together and pass binding laws;
3.) The DOI was passed using the same parliamentary procedure as many other laws, and is as legally binding as those laws were;
4.) The DOI states that it is the right and the duty of free citizens to throw off an oppressive government and replace it with another.
5.) Nothing in any later documents (AOC, Constitution, etc.) modfied or repealed the part of the DOI that stated it is the right and duty of free men to overthrow an oppressive government.
The DOI is, in fact, law, and is as binding today as it was in 1776. And that will remain true until another duly empowered lawmaking body (today the Congress and President) makes a law changing or repealing it.
There is that to refute. And through all the caterwauling, subject changing, and namecalling, not one poster has laid a glove on it (except ovacatto, see below).
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You have not made the case for why we should start another civil war.
Nor have I made the case that I should bake my Dad a birthday cake.
I never said either idea was needed. Nice try at pretending I did, but the diversion isn't working.
My point is that overthrowing an oppressive government is NOT illegal, explicitly because what is written in the first law ever passed in the United States of America. A section of the law that remains as valid and binding today as it was when it was first passed.
(BTW, I changed my Point (5) above, since ovacatto pointed out that the Constitution DID change some parts of the DOI. It just didn't change the part that is the subject of this thread: "It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security." - Declaration of Independence, on citizens' action in reply to an oppressive government)
When Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Tim Cook and the Waltons sign on I will pay attention, most don't view our government as oppressive except a few extremists.
Why would billionaires want to overthrow a government that represents THEM at the expense of everyone else?
And frankly, if you don't think our current government is repressive, you're either hopelessly uneducated, mentally challenged or deluding yourself.
Why would billionaires want to overthrow a government that represents THEM at the expense of everyone else?
And frankly, if you don't think our current government is repressive, you're either hopelessly uneducated, mentally challenged or deluding yourself.
Or, perhaps that government is representing (or at least benefitting) HIM at the expense of everyone else.
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