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I don't think it matters. We'll interpret it how we want. At least I don't expect us to say the treaty doesn't cover him. Remember, we assassinate our citizens and shoot down Bolivian plans so why not bend a few words?
But we don't have a treaty with Russia and that didn't stop us from turning up the heat there.
It takes 2 countries to sign a treaty. We can't just "do what we want".
Worked out well when we strong-armed Hong Kong..didn't it ?
I don't think it matters. We'll interpret it how we want. At least I don't expect us to say the treaty doesn't cover him. Remember, we assassinate our citizens and shoot down Bolivian plans so why not bend a few words?
But we don't have a treaty with Russia and that didn't stop us from turning up the heat there.
It would require more than bending words. A ninth-grader could read the treaty and see that none of it applies here. Yes, we may kill people but we don't want to be thought fools.
Of course we could pressure Russia, of course we could ask Russia, but we can't pretend they are legally obligated to comply.
I think he'd find a more classy way to exterminate the threat. Like let him get comfy in his new country and then something happen that was completely natural and just happened to have taken out Snowden.
Obama would then release a statement about his tragic death.
I think he'd find a more classy way to exterminate the threat. Like let him get comfy in his new country and then something happen that was completely natural and just happened to have taken out Snowden.
Obama would then release a statement about his tragic death.
There is no threat. The US is spying on their own citizens and allies throughout the world.
We look like desperate untrusting fools.
The USG creates their own threats with our bumbling foreign policy of guns, blood and money.
Snowden can make an argument for asylum even with nations we have a treaty with. He can argue that, as a political criminal, the treaty does not apply to him. And he can argue that he comes under those who would face torture and death if he were returned because he would. He is charged with Treason and that is a death penalty crime. And he can argue that putting him into a dark solitary cell that is kept cold with no clothes or a blanket is a form of torture because it is.
Snowden can make an argument for asylum even with nations we have a treaty with. He can argue that, as a political criminal, the treaty does not apply to him. And he can argue that he comes under those who would face torture and death if he were returned because he would. He is charged with Treason and that is a death penalty crime. And he can argue that putting him into a dark solitary cell that is kept cold with no clothes or a blanket is a form of torture because it is.
Well thankfully the Constitution restricts what amounts to Treason.
It really doesn't look like Snowden committed treason. The UK Guardian is not our enemy.
Treason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
The Year 2000, an aspiring corporate climber aiming at (but failing, I guess?) a NSA job told me that NSA collects every imaginable kind of communication regardless of citizenship and nationality, NSA was the ultimate power job he craved so much. Since then I was kinda sure that NSA does just that. That's why this Snowden spectacle first looked like a joke, the guys leaked info that every more or less "aware" of reality person has known for quite some time. What the big deal?
Shoot down? Do you not think our president is more sophisticated than that?
Nope. How sophisticated was it giving the very violent Mexican cartels military grade weapons?
Immediately when I saw the breaking news about the plane crash in SF, I thought maybe Snowden was on it. I don't think anyone would put anything past Obama.
That depends how you define spying. Nothing in the complaint against him says he spied.
"Simply" is not the case here. It could have been done simply and without risk to more leaking. That's what he is. He's a leak. And for that he won't fade away. And any country that grants him asylum based on political grounds will do so by breaking a treaty. Even if that isn't true it won't matter. The consequences will be the same.
We should start a thread on what he should have done. I have some opinions but I don't want to mix it in here.
Well --- it's even possible that our government has pissed off a number of our allies even and all any would have to do is give him secret asylum and give him a job spying on our government like what ours did to theirs.
No one has to let Obama know.
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