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Old 07-08-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No that's not what they're saying.

They're saying a traffic law has to be broken in order for there to be a stop. From that point, it is up to the discretion of the officer if they assume the person is intoxicated or under the influence.

If your swerving, speeding, not obeying traffic laws, there's your probable cause.
Their personal opinons differ from the ruling of the Supreme Court. What they argue is another way of saying that people should be allowed to drive drunk as long as they stay on their lane and do not break traffic rules. To them it does not matter these people are ten times more likely to cause an accident than anyone else.

Your demand for "freedom to drive drunk" infringes on other peoples right / freedom to use the roadways in a safe fashion.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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isnt it ironic that you guys who say you are against this, support stop and frisk.
I don't support either. Who are you referring to?
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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It is, isn't it? And they promote profiling as well. That's because both of those involve only blacks & those scary muslim terrorists. Once it hits close to home, they'll start whining about that as well.
Do you have facts to support your silly accusation?
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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No that's not what they're saying.
They're saying a traffic law has to be broken in order for there to be a stop. From that point, it is up to the discretion of the officer if they assume the person is intoxicated or under the influence.

If your swerving, speeding, not obeying traffic laws, there's your probable cause.
Correct. Nobody is promoting drunk driving, but most of us believe we are innocent and should not be stopped until we do something that indicates we are probably drunk.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Their personal opinons differ from the ruling of the Supreme Court. What they argue is another way of saying that people should be allowed to drive drunk as long as they stay on their lane and do not break traffic rules. To them it does not matter these people are ten times more likely to cause an accident than anyone else. .
No, that's a total lie. Don't confuse driving at .09 BAL with .25

Yes, people should be allowed to drive if they obey traffic laws. I can drive better at .12 than most sober soccer moms can with a car load of kids and a cell phone.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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Do you have facts to support your silly accusation?
Just read the posts on this forum. That's all the facts you need. I stick by it.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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No, that's a total lie. Don't confuse driving at .09 BAL with .25

Yes, people should be allowed to drive if they obey traffic laws. I can drive better at .12 than most sober soccer moms can with a car load of kids and a cell phone.
Really? Have you had someone follow you & observe your driving every single time you're drunk & driving? Right. It's always the drunks who keep insisting they're awesome drunk drivers.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No, that's a total lie. Don't confuse driving at .09 BAL with .25
How would you know what the BAC is if you are not allowed to talk to the driver? Some people can manage to stay on their lane with .30 BAC, but they are ticking time bombs, because their reflexes are so far off the norm, that it is impossible for them to react to any routine driving situation. Why do you think we have 10 000+ fatalities every year due to drunk driving? It's because people like you who convince themselves they are great drivers no matter how drunk they are. If they drive into a telephone pole and kill themselves, they actually do a favor for the society, but the problem is that they often take innocent people with them.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Really? Have you had someone follow you & observe your driving every single time you're drunk & driving? Right. It's always the drunks who keep insisting they're awesome drunk drivers.
Show me your facts that say people at .09 are ten times more likely to cause an accident.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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How would you know what the BAC is if you are not allowed to talk to the driver? Some people can manage to stay on their lane with .30 BAC, but they are ticking time bombs, because their reflexes are so far off the norm, that it is impossible for them to react to any routine driving situation. Why do you think we have 10 000+ fatalities every year due to drunk driving? .
It's because we have people driving at .18 or .25 or even higher. They are the ones who cause accidents and you can easily see them on the road. They drive like somebody on a cell phone.... slow and weaving.
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