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Old 07-07-2013, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Two more changes just came out of HHS


-Random income verification on individual income qualification for subsidies for 2014
-Random checks on whether applicants have employer insurance starting in 2015


Random verification on income for qualifying for subsidies ? Are they crazy ?
Whatever I say is my income then that is what they have to take with no verification.
Didn't they just learn from the Lifeline audit that showed 41% didn't qualify for those free phones ?

And it's only July folks. Who knows what more they will drop or turn random between now and Jan 1.


U.S. relaxes health law income, insurance status rule for exchanges
But final regulations released quietly on Friday by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) give 16 states and the District of Columbia, which are setting up their own exchanges, until 2015 to begin random sampling of enrollees' employer-insurance status. The rules also allow only random - rather than comprehensive - checks on income eligibility in 2014.
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"For income verification, for the first year of operations, we are providing (state and federal) exchanges with temporarily expanded discretion to accept an attestation of projected annual household income without further verification," the rule said.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:25 PM
 
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obamacare....calling doctor howard, doctor fine, doctor howard...woo, woo, woo, woo, woo...!
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I posted this yesterday and no one seems to care.

Do you all realize what this can lead to if there is no income verification for subsidies ?
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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It means government can give money to whom they desire.

Vote liberal - get financial aid so you can vote longer.

Sadly - a good part of the population is OK with this.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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Wait, in this thread you are angry that people could have said their income was anything they wanted without it being checked for eligability...now you are angry that they will be checking incomes so people aren't lying ("Whatever I say is my income then that is what they have to take with no verification.")

Maybe the reason so few people have responded is because you have taken mutually exclusive and oppisite positions on the same issue just to be angry at something, which lacks integrity. Arguing with a nutjob that happily lies is like trying to teach your dog to do your taxes...the only thing that results is that you just mad at the dog.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Two more changes just came out of HHS

-Random income verification on individual income qualification for subsidies for 2014
-Random checks on whether applicants have employer insurance starting in 2015
Right now I believe it's the law that "other" govt programs are banned from getting data from the IRS. They can't ask the IRS how much money a guy makes, to determine if he's eligible for Obamacare subsidies.

Expect that restriction to become a victim of yet another late-night "adjustment", sometime soon. It's just a matter of time before some enlightened bureaucrat says, "Well, wouldn't it be more efficient if we did it that way, just getting the data directly from the IRS? We know we need it to do this right, after all." ...and then quietly worked that into some Executive Order, or maybe into some regulation written by unelected bureaucrats in HHS.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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BTW, whe will we start having "random checks", not of citizens, but of government programs, to determine if they are authorized by the Constitution?
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Wait, in this thread you are angry that people could have said their income was anything they wanted without it being checked for eligability...now you are angry that they will be checking incomes so people aren't lying ("Whatever I say is my income then that is what they have to take with no verification.")

Maybe the reason so few people have responded is because you have taken mutually exclusive and oppisite positions on the same issue just to be angry at something, which lacks integrity. Arguing with a nutjob that happily lies is like trying to teach your dog to do your taxes...the only thing that results is that you just mad at the dog.
They are not going to verify income. It's at the "discretion of the state" and must be random for all of 2014.
Just like the Lifeline program. Only later they found out 41% of the subscribers didn't qualify.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Whatever I say is my income then that is what they have to take with no
verification.
So, if I say my income was $200 for a given year, they should just take my word for it? Sweet!
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How hard could it be to ask people to bring a copy of their 1040 to verify income and family size ?
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