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Old 07-08-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by SourD View Post
Trayvon didn't have to attack him to begin with.
we only have george's version to say if that is true or not. a good percentage of men and young boys who are followed/stalked in the night, scared and wondering why this person is following them would hit first and ask questions later.

 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Zimmerman knew help was on the way. He didn't have to kill him.
1) How did he know how quickly help would arrive?

2) How long should he expect to live before Martin succeeded in murdered him, given the nature of the ongoing assault?

3) If someone had YOU down on the ground, punching you in the face and nose and slamming your head into the ground and concrete...how long would you lay there and take it before doing everything in your power to stop the attack?
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:50 AM
 
Location: DFW
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The old "American Hero" sympathetic witness. Smirk....Vietnam was how long ago? .
You don't think those old WW2 or Vietnam or Iraq vets don't vividly recall screams of war ?

I'd suggest they never forget those screams.

PTSD.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The jewelry Martin had at school traced back to homes that were burglarized a mile from where this happened. Trayvon was definitely a burglar.

I didn't know that the stolen property had been traced. Got a link to that?
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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we only have george's version to say if that is true or not. a good percentage of men and young boys who are followed/stalked in the night, scared and wondering why this person is following them would hit first and ask questions later.
And they would be guilty of assault too.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
If you believe that, you have lived a very sheltered life.

BDLR IS using the language to suggest premeditation and that George was angry when he was observing the suspect. To me, and I suspect to most people, his comments suggest frustration with a scenario where criminals "always get away", not anger at the individual. This exact issue was testified to by the prosecution's witnesses.
I use that kind of language quite often myself, and I understand very well that when I'm using it, it's not because I'm "happy" or just making a "matter of fact comment".....There is always some sort of emotion related to those words. One of my favorite TV shows is "Veep" and was "Deadwood"....for examples of language indicating emotion.

Frustration is just one step away from anger.....so Georgie was well on his way. He appears to have been so frustrated that he got out of his vehicle to do something, which I believe was following Martin to make sure he didn't get away.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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The jewelry Martin had at school traced back to homes that were burglarized a mile from where this happened. Trayvon was definitely a burglar.
can you post a link to that ?

I know there were requests for trying to match the jewelry to burglaries, but never saw it was done.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Defense is simply trying to establish that you cannot tell the identity of the screamer.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Bayou City
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Here's the Big Picture.

Who testified the screaming voice was tm's ? I recall his mother, Rachel, his brother half-heartedly, and the earwitness who 'knew' because the voice was high-pitched.

Not his father, any friends, teachers, anyone from his church or football coaches, no one frrom the high school police who knew his voice, not his dad's 2nd wife or an uncle, etc.

These witnesses might be wrong, but would they commit perjury for gz by knowingly lying ? Nope. Jurors will accept these witnesses Honestly Believe gz was screaming for help.
As close friends of Zimmerman's, they are both financially and emotionally invested in his acquittal. It's a safe bet to assume that anyone who would donate over 3,000 dollars to his defense fund and buy him suits and food would probably be willing to take the stand and lie in his defense.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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You don't think those old WW2 or Vietnam or Iraq vets don't vividly recall screams of war ?

I'd suggest they never forget those screams.

PTSD.
I do know that they recall those screams.
What I said was that still doesn't prove it was George screaming. George's witnesses are gonna say it was George, that is why they are there.
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