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Old 07-08-2013, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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There should never have been any SS Trust Funds. SS is a pass thorugh insurance program designed to provide people with minimum buying power for food and housing after an financial disaster. The Congress devised the Trust Funds to continue a regresssive payroll tax to avoid having to raise income taxrs on those that can afford them.

We should remove the cap on Taxable Income and replace it with All Income from All Sources and drop the rate to only cover immediate payments. We should also cap payments to some factor of the median national income.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Maybe all these agencies will spend so much time watching each other they will leave the rest of us alone.

I am not troubled by all these watchers, except for having to pay their salaries, because I live as if I were in a goldfish bowl and do not care if I am watched because I neither fear nor respect the watchers.
Maybe not for yourself...Got anything on your credit cards you don't want your next door neighbor/wife/boss/lanlord to know about? Kids do anything stupid? Does your company do business with the government? Maybe somebody in the family had an STD? A few abortions? Sent a Weiner picture on their cell phone to a boyfriend? Called your boss a bleepin' idiot in a text message? Had a DUI or two? Dishonorable discharge? Took some sick days when you weren't sick? Registered to vote for "the other party?" Paid someone for a school report? Anything that would show you to be a hypocrite to your voting group? Remember it isn't JUST the government that has access. It's also contractors who do business with the government. Think about it...
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Anything that goes into a computer/phone you need to just assume is saved off.

They aren't building the biggest data center on earth in Utah for nothing you know.
And they are already starting on the 2nd and 3rd center.

The USG will be storing zettabytes of storage. They will be the first in the world to achieve zettabyte storage.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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"The new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is spending $20 million collecting, analyzing and storing customer credit card transactions, and cataloging spending habits and other financial data of millions of Americans. The bureau has ordered banks to turn over records on personal checking account overdrafts and other data, including credit monitoring services and debt information. Short-term borrower data will be stored in a government database of mortgages, loans and property records. Most troubling of all, the agency is generating a monthly summary of credit card transactions. None of this is done with the knowledge or consent of the consumer...What’s most troubling about this is that the Dodd-Frank Wall Street regulation bill that created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau made sure the agency would escape congressional oversight. Its operations receive far less scrutiny than even the secretive National Security Agency. Congress can’t exercise its constitutional oversight over the executive branch because the bureau draws its operating cash directly from the Federal Reserve."

EDITORIAL: The pocketbook spies - Washington Times

I ask you - How long before this credit card data become appended to your Obamacare file and is used to deny healthcare treatment based on risky behavior/unhealthy behavior and used against you in other ways? That electronic health record they were so eager to generate under the guise of making it easier for you to move with your health records is going to be the repository for all the data the government is gathering on you - a one-stop shopping place for anyone who needs information on you.

Some Libertarian better run in 2016 because this is the first time I'm thinking they may actually have a chance to win.
Is this what government thinks is freedom, and personal privacy? They think if they harass everyone we talk to, everyone we consort with, to document, catalog and analyze everything we do, then it's not the same as spying on us? Spying by proxy, is not an invasion of privacy, and an unwarranted search and seizure of our personal information?

It's like the government has a federal bureaucrat following us around, documenting where we go, who we talk to, who we exchange money with, what we purchase, where we shop, and the topics we gossip about and looking over our shoulder with a video recorder to see what we do on the Internet, and this to government, and some liberals, is not an unwarranted invasion of privacy?
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Is this what government thinks is freedom, and personal privacy? They think if they harass everyone we talk to, everyone we consort with, to document, catalog and analyze everything we do, then it's not the same as spying on us? Spying by proxy, is not an invasion of privacy, and an unwarranted search and seizure of our personal information?

It's like the government has a federal bureaucrat following us around, documenting where we go, who we talk to, who we exchange money with, what we purchase, where we shop, and the topics we gossip about and looking over our shoulder with a video recorder to see what we do on the Internet, and this to government, and some liberals, is not an unwarranted invasion of privacy?
Because we are all suspected domestic terrorists now.
Remember Obama's speech. We are going to look inward now at homegrown terrorism.
DHS has not been building itself up and training all these local LE's and giving them military equipment for nothing you know.

It's the slow incremental changes you "don't see".
"Oh, no one has MRAPS except the border patrol".

And then you see 3-4 roaming the streets during the Boston bombing with "Boston" or "Massachusetts" painted on the side. Those didn't come from the border patrol, did they ?

Just wait until those 30,000 drones get clearance to fly next year.

The government is getting ready for something, something in our future.
But everything has to be in place and operating first.

You don't see it ?
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Is this what government thinks is freedom, and personal privacy? They think if they harass everyone we talk to, everyone we consort with, to document, catalog and analyze everything we do, then it's not the same as spying on us? Spying by proxy, is not an invasion of privacy, and an unwarranted search and seizure of our personal information?

It's like the government has a federal bureaucrat following us around, documenting where we go, who we talk to, who we exchange money with, what we purchase, where we shop, and the topics we gossip about and looking over our shoulder with a video recorder to see what we do on the Internet, and this to government, and some liberals, is not an unwarranted invasion of privacy?
Don't you know that it's all done in the name of protecting our country and to keep us safe? In exchange we must forfeit the right to privacy. Thank goodness I paid cash for my pressure cooker.
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